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ConeKilla · 11-04-2014, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by j-rho

Peters won STR in a 350, and most would agree the 370 is even better so really, STR is not a bad place. Sure, we might like more wheel/tire, but every car there has shortcomings - the others would love to have our torque.

Granted, But...

1.) Peters is an amazing driver by all accounts...alienesc one might say.
2.) He switched to STU because he recognized the 350z as an underdog in STR due to tire limitations...now he is owning STU...much to the annoyance of a certain muti-time STU national champ from my region.

gomer_110 · 11-04-2014, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ConeKilla

Granted, But...

1.) Peters is an amazing driver by all accounts...alienesc one might say.
2.) He switched to STU because he recognized the 350z as an underdog in STR due to tire limitations...now he is owning STU...much to the annoyance of a certain muti-time STU national champ from my region.

IMHO If you put a phenomenal (alien) driver in any remotely competitive car for a class, the driver will quickly rise to the top of the standings. Unfortunately it's these alien drivers that get cars classed in such a way that only an alien driver could ever win with them.

03threefiftyz · 11-04-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ConeKilla

Granted, But...

1.) Peters is an amazing driver by all accounts...alienesc one might say.
2.) He switched to STU because he recognized the 350z as an underdog in STR due to tire limitations...now he is owning STU...much to the annoyance of a certain muti-time STU national champ from my region.

Um, no. He switched to STU because the 350z was reclassified in the class. You can't just go from STR to STU because you want more tire. The evo guys need to stop whining...they seem to struggle with the difference b/w being out-"car'd" and being outdriven.

victorofhavoc · 11-04-2014, 04:55 PM

My region has quite a few national champs and we race at topeka HP several times every year. Unfortunately to get tires, shocks, and sways on these cars to be competitive in stock class requires some serious money, however, switching to lighter 18s with a lower offset by the 6mm allowed, grippier tires, monotube shocks, decent front sway, lightweight rotors, a solid catback, and some high temp fluid and pads will make this car a killer in the B class...money though, money

I've seen people around here hate on the FRS and BRZ but those care cars are stupid fast when done right.

ConeKilla · 11-05-2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

Um, no. He switched to STU because the 350z was reclassified in the class. You can't just go from STR to STU because you want more tire. The evo guys need to stop whining...they seem to struggle with the difference b/w being out-"car'd" and being outdriven.

My mistake, your right. However, you cant deny that, in STU, where really the major difference is more tire allowance is going to hurt the 350z. Really my point is...

"Driver goes from winning a class where car has less competitive advantage to wining in class where car has more competitive advantage indicates that car was not the factor driving success...the driver was."

ConeKilla · 11-05-2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by victorofhavoc

My region has quite a few national champs and we race at topeka HP several times every year. Unfortunately to get tires, shocks, and sways on these cars to be competitive in stock class requires some serious money, however, switching to lighter 18s with a lower offset by the 6mm allowed, grippier tires, monotube shocks, decent front sway, lightweight rotors, a solid catback, and some high temp fluid and pads will make this car a killer in the B class...money though, money

I've seen people around here hate on the FRS and BRZ but those care cars are stupid fast when done right.

Light weight rotors are not allowed in Street...are they?<runs off to dig through rules>

Can't argue with the fact the STX prepped FRZ/BRZ are stupid fast. Pretty sure that car single handedly broke the STX index this year.

03threefiftyz · 11-06-2014, 05:41 AM

Fast being relative I 'spose. 2 piece rotors are perfectly legal in ST, so long as they meet the other guidelines (dia. and thickness).

victorofhavoc · 11-06-2014, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ConeKilla

Light weight rotors are not allowed in Street...are they?<runs off to dig through rules>

Can't argue with the fact the STX prepped FRZ/BRZ are stupid fast. Pretty sure that car single handedly broke the STX index this year.

As far as I know they're legal, unless something changed this year. And for our cars, changing the fronts to lighter ones will make a huge difference (so would 18" wheels - I'd even take 17s if some would fit over the front brakes)

I personally think they're trying to make a class solely for the FRS/BRZ just because of how many mods are already available for them. They won't be able to keep track of it all without having to redefine a lot. Then again, I've seen a completely stock BRZ come out to a race on the stock prius tires, and come out a half second faster than a really good driver in a roadster Z with front sway, exhaust, ventus RS3, and Konis.

AK370Z · 11-15-2014, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ConeKilla

Light weight rotors are not allowed in Street...are they?<runs off to dig through rules>

NO performance (benefit) rotor replacement allowed in Street category. Oem or oem replacement only. But again, who's going to bring out magnifying glass and check your rotors during tech? You can join the other street class participants who cheats anyway and get away with any solid rotors. But if you get slotted or drilled ect, you're probably making it easy for other drivers to report you as they know Z doesn't come with drilled/slotted from stock.

Seriously, I know people in street class with racing seat, "undisclosed" suspension mods, engine mods, ecu tune, etc. Things that a naked eye can't pickup, people will do it in the street class.

I will have to agree with Jeff. 370Z can def hang in Bstreet. Usually, CS times are (in my region) about 1-1.5s behind Bstreet or sometimes CS is faster than BS. So the the diff isn't much. But as he said, Z will do fantastic on smooth surface with power courses. Z sucks in gravelly, crappy asphalt surfaces. Was this re-classing fair to Z owner? no. What they did to Nismo owners are even horrible. But I think Z won't be too far off the Bstreet competition. You just have to get some street legal add ons (as mentioned above). I just got my front sway and koni yellows and will get RS-3 in Feb. So in a way, thanks SCCA for the re-classing

PS: I was absolutely blown away how well Z turns with konis and F sway. Thanks to those who helped me tweak the shocks with their number/setting. Here's my season finale. 2nd pos in CS (only .3s behind 1st place) with 8 competitors.

ConeKilla · 11-24-2014, 04:49 PM

Ya, I know street classes can see some seriously sketchy setups. Whats the old saying..."if you ain't cheating, you ain't racing" or something like that.

I really hope the 370z will be a great BS car...but I really do think that if a good driver got into class with a C5 FRC Corvette that it would be game over. That car on paper is better in basically every category and is a proven performer in countless Solo events.

For Local PAX I really don't see me doing so awesome in my 370z...the FS and AS indexes will be a big problem for me as I have a national champ/Evo instructor driving a C5 Z06 in AS and a couple decent guys driving E92 M3's in FS. They really didn't need any index help this year, but they certainly got it anyway. On the bright side there is less chance of getting owned by STX prepped BRZ/FRS twins now that the STX index went up a bit.

14BlackCherry · 11-30-2014, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ConeKilla

Ya, I know street classes can see some seriously sketchy setups. Whats the old saying..."if you ain't cheating, you ain't racing" or something like that.

I really hope the 370z will be a great BS car...but I really do think that if a good driver got into class with a C5 FRC Corvette that it would be game over. That car on paper is better in basically every category and is a proven performer in countless Solo events.

For Local PAX I really don't see me doing so awesome in my 370z...the FS and AS indexes will be a big problem for me as I have a national champ/Evo instructor driving a C5 Z06 in AS and a couple decent guys driving E92 M3's in FS. They really didn't need any index help this year, but they certainly got it anyway. On the bright side there is less chance of getting owned by STX prepped BRZ/FRS twins now that the STX index went up a bit.

I would like you guys to see how the last winter event went here. If myself and my co-driver ran in BS we would've finished 9th and 10th. Even the fastest CS driver would've been 2 seconds behind the BS winner.

Here's the results just scroll down to BS and CS:

Rocky Mountain Solo Series

03threefiftyz · 11-30-2014, 02:33 PM

With all due respect....you just need to drive faster. It isn't all the car. Bob Klinger ran about the same time as the FRC in the X class.

14BlackCherry · 12-01-2014, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

With all due respect....you just need to drive faster. It isn't all the car. Bob Klinger ran about the same time as the FRC in the X class.

I hear you there, but it seemed like the car was on the edge already lol. It could just be my inexperience but my co-driver has been doing this for 3 years now and finished 11th in DS at Nationals this year, and he was pushing the car it seemed like to me.

victorofhavoc · 12-01-2014, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 14BlackCherry

I hear you there, but it seemed like the car was on the edge already lol. It could just be my inexperience but my co-driver has been doing this for 3 years now and finished 11th in DS at Nationals this year, and he was pushing the car it seemed like to me.

It sounds like you need to be driving slower not faster

. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. If you slow down a bit you'll handle better and be a lot faster through the turns and especially slaloms. I've seen a lot of drivers leaving several seconds out on the course because they pushed too hard into one corner before a slalom and then were attempting to play catch-up for the rest of the run.

mdxj · 12-01-2014, 10:41 AM

I know of a few cars, mostly Miata's that were cheating. Running full suspension and brakes but were still in the stock class. Joke was on them though since one of my friends was in a bone stock miata beating them. BS is not a popular class in my region so I did very well. My only real compition was from another 370 Nismo too. Now that this is out, I can start planning what I want to do for next year.

11-04-2014, 04:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
victorofhavoc Base Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas City Posts: 229 Drives: 2014 370z Rep Power: 14	My region has quite a few national champs and we race at topeka HP several times every year. Unfortunately to get tires, shocks, and sways on these cars to be competitive in stock class requires some serious money, however, switching to lighter 18s with a lower offset by the 6mm allowed, grippier tires, monotube shocks, decent front sway, lightweight rotors, a solid catback, and some high temp fluid and pads will make this car a killer in the B class...money though, money I've seen people around here hate on the FRS and BRZ but those care cars are stupid fast when done right. __________________ Had a 2010 WRX- boy was it quick in a straight line, got a 2014 Z- man is she grippy in the corners-- then left the Z and later got a GTI, now back in an 09 racecar Z!

12-01-2014, 10:41 AM	#30 (permalink)
mdxj Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 290 Drives: 09 Nismo, 98 Jeep XJ Rep Power: 14	I know of a few cars, mostly Miata's that were cheating. Running full suspension and brakes but were still in the stock class. Joke was on them though since one of my friends was in a bone stock miata beating them. BS is not a popular class in my region so I did very well. My only real compition was from another 370 Nismo too. Now that this is out, I can start planning what I want to do for next year. __________________ '09 370 base - RIP '09 370 Nismo - New track car

11-06-2014, 05:41 AM	#22 (permalink)
03threefiftyz Track Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: MD Posts: 536 Drives: 03 350z 6mt Rep Power: 16	Fast being relative I 'spose. 2 piece rotors are perfectly legal in ST, so long as they meet the other guidelines (dia. and thickness).

11-24-2014, 04:49 PM	#25 (permalink)
ConeKilla Base Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Seattle Posts: 45 Drives: 2014 370z Rep Power: 11	Ya, I know street classes can see some seriously sketchy setups. Whats the old saying..."if you ain't cheating, you ain't racing" or something like that. I really hope the 370z will be a great BS car...but I really do think that if a good driver got into class with a C5 FRC Corvette that it would be game over. That car on paper is better in basically every category and is a proven performer in countless Solo events. For Local PAX I really don't see me doing so awesome in my 370z...the FS and AS indexes will be a big problem for me as I have a national champ/Evo instructor driving a C5 Z06 in AS and a couple decent guys driving E92 M3's in FS. They really didn't need any index help this year, but they certainly got it anyway. On the bright side there is less chance of getting owned by STX prepped BRZ/FRS twins now that the STX index went up a bit.

11-30-2014, 02:33 PM	#27 (permalink)
03threefiftyz Track Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: MD Posts: 536 Drives: 03 350z 6mt Rep Power: 16	With all due respect....you just need to drive faster. It isn't all the car. Bob Klinger ran about the same time as the FRC in the X class.