Fuel starvation, who else?

travisjb · 09-08-2011, 01:18 PM

Like what I'm hearing!

Phunk, will this eliminate the issue I had over the weekend where the top plate and the rods separated due to the weak structural linkage? Ie are you reinforcing or replacing that structure in this new product?

Also, would like to recommend that you start a new thread with a press release when you are ready so the conversation can stay focused on your product... will help when new people stumble across this issue down the road as well

Side note... NASA and some other sanctioning bodies assign "points" when you use a non-OEM fuel pump... will be well worth it to carry less fuel / weight, but just fyi

SPOHN · 09-08-2011, 02:07 PM

All of this sounds very interesting. Almost makes you want to buy even if you don't track hard core. I plan to track a handful of time next year with two this year. But it seems a must for anyone that might track. In for pricing.

Also big props to you for taking on this task and making sure it's going to be a great product.

phunk · 09-08-2011, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travisjb

Like what I'm hearing!

Phunk, will this eliminate the issue I had over the weekend where the top plate and the rods separated due to the weak structural linkage? Ie are you reinforcing or replacing that structure in this new product?

Also, would like to recommend that you start a new thread with a press release when you are ready so the conversation can stay focused on your product... will help when new people stumble across this issue down the road as well

Side note... NASA and some other sanctioning bodies assign "points" when you use a non-OEM fuel pump... will be well worth it to carry less fuel / weight, but just fyi

I tend to believe that what happened to you over the weekend may be an isolated occurance. Our product is mounting on the opposite side of the fuel tank, and merely interfacing via plumbing with the OEM assembly that broke on you. It would not be too difficult for us to contruct some structural reinforcement for the OEM fuel pump assembly if there is a problem with its integrity. It would be entirely independant of our starvation resolution product.

I will definitely start a new thread for the finished product. We want to market it with a little motivation, I think it will be a popular product.

It is strange that they assign points based on a fuel pump upgrade alone, as a fuel pump doesnt increase horsepower or anything. But it is for certain to enhance track times if you dont have to drive around a problem or deal with momentary power loss.

travisjb · 09-08-2011, 02:51 PM

my bad... here's the nasa rule, there seems to be some flexibilty... was going off memory... but it looks like if you have a different pump and ecu tune you take points for both (+2 on this rule, and +x for ECU rule)

6) Non-OEM or modified carburetor, fuel rail, fuel injectors, fuel pump(s), and/or fuel pressure regulator +2 (no points for fuel pump alone if using OEM fuel and timing maps, sensor inputs and ignition timing)

in any event, this is just a nit... great to hear about your progress!

phunk · 09-09-2011, 02:14 PM

This here is a sneak peek of the CJM solution to fuel starvation in the twisties. This is all I can show for now. It is what you would call a fuel surge tank, but we have expanded on the theories behind them and added some extra functions. It will be marketed as the CJM Serge Tank, pronounced "sarge" as-in "sergeant". Because its the boss like that.

It is of course shown here in pre-production status... so it is in raw machined and fabricated finish.

travisjb · 09-09-2011, 02:50 PM

Looks great

2cents re name... how about:

"Fuel Sarge"
or
"Slosh Tank"
or more to the point...
"CJM Anti-Fuel Starvation Tank"

Serge Tank sounds like a nickname for Sergio

... consider selling this to Nissan Motorsports and maybe Nissan OEM can license the design from you?... hopefully you've filed for the IP

When you're ready, might also want to post this on the forums with NASA, SCCA etc... those are going to be the guys most familiar with the problem

BTW, looks heavy... how much does it weigh?

phunk · 09-09-2011, 03:15 PM

complete weight with fuel pump and everything is 3.5 pounds. supplemental installation plumbing etc will probably weight about 1 to 1.5 lb

travisjb · 09-09-2011, 03:50 PM

not too bad

SPOHN · 09-09-2011, 07:48 PM

Fancy

ChrisSlicks · 09-09-2011, 08:50 PM

5 pounds sounds good to me, that's less than the weight of 1 gallon of fuel. You could call it "Big Sarge", or "Sarging". You'll have to google that last one

Mike · 09-09-2011, 11:45 PM

I just want to call it mine!

MightyBobo · 09-10-2011, 09:27 AM

[RICER]I will only buy it if it has a burnt titanium finish.[/RICER]

phunk · 09-10-2011, 09:31 AM

i cant wait to show you how cool it is inside! outside is sort of boring.

spearfish25 · 09-10-2011, 03:03 PM

I'll definitely be checking this out in person.

Elysium · 09-10-2011, 05:02 PM

I'm first in line! lol

09-08-2011, 01:18 PM	#256 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 188	Like what I'm hearing! Phunk, will this eliminate the issue I had over the weekend where the top plate and the rods separated due to the weak structural linkage? Ie are you reinforcing or replacing that structure in this new product? Also, would like to recommend that you start a new thread with a press release when you are ready so the conversation can stay focused on your product... will help when new people stumble across this issue down the road as well Side note... NASA and some other sanctioning bodies assign "points" when you use a non-OEM fuel pump... will be well worth it to carry less fuel / weight, but just fyi __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

09-08-2011, 02:07 PM	#257 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	All of this sounds very interesting. Almost makes you want to buy even if you don't track hard core. I plan to track a handful of time next year with two this year. But it seems a must for anyone that might track. In for pricing. Also big props to you for taking on this task and making sure it's going to be a great product. __________________

09-08-2011, 02:51 PM	#259 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 188	my bad... here's the nasa rule, there seems to be some flexibilty... was going off memory... but it looks like if you have a different pump and ecu tune you take points for both (+2 on this rule, and +x for ECU rule) 6) Non-OEM or modified carburetor, fuel rail, fuel injectors, fuel pump(s), and/or fuel pressure regulator +2 (no points for fuel pump alone if using OEM fuel and timing maps, sensor inputs and ignition timing) in any event, this is just a nit... great to hear about your progress! __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

09-09-2011, 02:14 PM	#260 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	This here is a sneak peek of the CJM solution to fuel starvation in the twisties. This is all I can show for now. It is what you would call a fuel surge tank, but we have expanded on the theories behind them and added some extra functions. It will be marketed as the CJM Serge Tank, pronounced "sarge" as-in "sergeant". Because its the boss like that. It is of course shown here in pre-production status... so it is in raw machined and fabricated finish. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

09-09-2011, 02:50 PM	#261 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 188	Looks great 2cents re name... how about: "Fuel Sarge" or "Slosh Tank" or more to the point... "CJM Anti-Fuel Starvation Tank" Serge Tank sounds like a nickname for Sergio ... consider selling this to Nissan Motorsports and maybe Nissan OEM can license the design from you?... hopefully you've filed for the IP When you're ready, might also want to post this on the forums with NASA, SCCA etc... those are going to be the guys most familiar with the problem BTW, looks heavy... how much does it weigh? __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

09-09-2011, 03:15 PM	#262 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	complete weight with fuel pump and everything is 3.5 pounds. supplemental installation plumbing etc will probably weight about 1 to 1.5 lb __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

09-09-2011, 03:50 PM	#263 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 188	not too bad __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

09-09-2011, 07:48 PM	#264 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Fancy __________________

09-09-2011, 08:50 PM	#265 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	5 pounds sounds good to me, that's less than the weight of 1 gallon of fuel. You could call it "Big Sarge", or "Sarging". You'll have to google that last one __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

09-09-2011, 11:45 PM	#266 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	I just want to call it mine! __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

09-10-2011, 09:27 AM	#267 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	[RICER]I will only buy it if it has a burnt titanium finish.[/RICER] __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

09-10-2011, 09:31 AM	#268 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	i cant wait to show you how cool it is inside! outside is sort of boring. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

09-10-2011, 03:03 PM	#269 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	I'll definitely be checking this out in person. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

09-10-2011, 05:02 PM	#270 (permalink)
Elysium Base Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ontario Posts: 133 Drives: 2013 GT-R, 2008 Sti Rep Power: 14	I'm first in line! lol __________________ 2013 GT-R black edition.....with mods to come 2010 370Z stillen supercharged.....will be missed

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