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Zeto 08-26-2011 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1283683)
Been over a month now, maybe 2 months now, and the replacement fuel sending units have done great for me. I can even get the car down to ZERO dots worth of gas now and it'll run. Haven't ran outta gas in forever.

What kind of tires?

ChrisSlicks 08-26-2011 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1283624)
Our first 2 pre-production units for the race level solution are currently in the CNC right now. These will be the final "prototypes" and unless we run into an issue, we shouldn't have to make any changes or updates. So we are writing all the final CNC programs and everything as we machine these components.

Excellent! Thanks for keeping us in the loop. Track season is nearly over for us in the North East, 2 or 3 more races for me and then it is time to step back and re-evaluate what the car needs over the Winter to remain competitive. Provided the components don't add too much weight (doesn't sound like it) then this could be a great way to run 60 pounds less fuel for competition.

Synack 08-26-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1283735)
LOL, let me drive.

I have very highly spirited driving.... My tires have wires coming out of them.

Zeto 08-27-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1283822)
I have very highly spirited driving.... My tires have wires coming out of them.

1) That's not very smart.

2) That just lessens the issue since you have a low grip on your tire. (since you say that they are on wires)

3. Get some stickier tires and hit the track. That is the true test.

phunk 08-27-2011 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1283683)
Been over a month now, maybe 2 months now, and the replacement fuel sending units have done great for me. I can even get the car down to ZERO dots worth of gas now and it'll run. Haven't ran outta gas in forever.

it sounds like you are talking about an entirely separate issue.

i run my Z until there are no dots of gas left just about every single tank. the car runs and drives fine.

the fuel starvation issue that this particular thread is discussing is unrelated to the calibration of the fuel level sending units and their accuracy.

we are all talking about fuel placement control inside the gas tank. when making a hard right, the gasoline shifts to the left side of the tank. the fuel pump cannot draw in the fuel momentarily until it settles and also siphons some over, so the engine starves of fuel and cuts power for a few seconds. the lower your fuel level, the more prone to this issue you become.

in some cases it can be worse. if you manage to relocate nearly every last bit of your fuel over to the left side of the tank (you could even have a gallon or two over there), the car is dead and will not run until you put more gas in it. that is because the siphon that pulls the fuel from the left side of the tank to the right side (this gas tank is divided in half by the driveshaft, shaped like saddle-bags) is a venturi that is powered by the fuel dumped out from the fuel pressure regulator inside the fuel pump sending unit. if the pump isnt pumping fuel, then the venturi dies, and there is no more siphoning action.

this can leave you stranded on the side of the road, it happened to me once. with 1/4 tank of gas according to the gauge.

no replacement sending units from nissan are going to fix this issue. this is not actually a concern of theirs. nearly all factory vehicles have this issue, in some cars it worse than others. ours is pretty bad due to some of the specifics of our fuel system layout.

but alas, i have the answer. :)

Synack 08-27-2011 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1284888)
it sounds like you are talking about an entirely separate issue.

i run my Z until there are no dots of gas left just about every single tank. the car runs and drives fine.

the fuel starvation issue that this particular thread is discussing is unrelated to the calibration of the fuel level sending units and their accuracy.

we are all talking about fuel placement control inside the gas tank. when making a hard right, the gasoline shifts to the left side of the tank. the fuel pump cannot draw in the fuel momentarily until it settles and also siphons some over, so the engine starves of fuel and cuts power for a few seconds. the lower your fuel level, the more prone to this issue you become.

in some cases it can be worse. if you manage to relocate nearly every last bit of your fuel over to the left side of the tank (you could even have a gallon or two over there), the car is dead and will not run until you put more gas in it. that is because the siphon that pulls the fuel from the left side of the tank to the right side (this gas tank is divided in half by the driveshaft, shaped like saddle-bags) is a venturi that is powered by the fuel dumped out from the fuel pressure regulator inside the fuel pump sending unit. if the pump isnt pumping fuel, then the venturi dies, and there is no more siphoning action.

this can leave you stranded on the side of the road, it happened to me once. with 1/4 tank of gas according to the gauge.

no replacement sending units from nissan are going to fix this issue. this is not actually a concern of theirs. nearly all factory vehicles have this issue, in some cars it worse than others. ours is pretty bad due to some of the specifics of our fuel system layout.

but alas, i have the answer. :)


I've definitely had this problem at the track, drifting. More than a quarter tank and it just dies. No fun.



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Originally Posted by Zeto (Post 1284859)
1) That's not very smart.

2) That just lessens the issue since you have a low grip on your tire. (since you say that they are on wires)

3. Get some stickier tires and hit the track. That is the true test.

I was at the track on my Hankook's and after the session the tires had wires coming out, because I used every damn bit of tread. I have more tires on my porch.

ResIpsa 09-05-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1283822)
I have very highly spirited driving.... My tires have wires coming out of them.

Check this out!

http://www.the370z.com/members/resip...5538-re-11.jpg

ChrisSlicks 09-05-2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ResIpsa (Post 1298465)

I'd say that is almost worn out.

spearfish25 09-05-2011 08:55 PM

RE-11 slicks. Cool.

WWJD 09-05-2011 09:15 PM

After I read through 16 pages, it doesn't seem like there's any plug and play solution available yet? I bet whoever makes it first and put in market will sell a bunch in no time.
The Z had this problem at Buttonwillow and Big willow even on stock shitty tires. Damn it...

Elysium 09-06-2011 02:43 PM

So I've been exchanging pm's with Phunk and expressing interest to be one of the first to get his new setup. How many others are interested?

1. Elysium

ChrisSlicks 09-06-2011 02:57 PM

I'm definitely interested as long as there isn't too much added weight.

zinistr 09-06-2011 02:58 PM

I am ready...assuming the cost isn't astronomical.

nismo09 09-06-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Elysium (Post 1299845)
So I've been exchanging pm's with Phunk and expressing interest to be one of the first to get his new setup. How many others are interested?

1. Elysium

Count me in. :driving:

travisjb 09-06-2011 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Elysium (Post 1299845)
So I've been exchanging pm's with Phunk and expressing interest to be one of the first to get his new setup. How many others are interested?

1. Elysium

My setup gets me down 9 gallons from full but sure would be nice to be able to drive it all the way down to empty or close to it... count me in if it can do that, and if he stays on track with his price target.


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