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Originally Posted by stuy486 For C-Street anyways, there's no "secret" for car setup that will "fix" your problems. It's just not possible to get the car to handle well without

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Old 09-12-2014, 03:29 PM   #46 (permalink)
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For C-Street anyways, there's no "secret" for car setup that will "fix" your problems. It's just not possible to get the car to handle well without changing suspension components. IMHO, the trick to being successful in Stock/Street class is learning to drive around any given car's limitations.

For example, to address your issue of oversteer while power out of/through corners: In my car, I am rarely at full throttle. The diff just gets pissed off if you try to use full throttle with the wheel turned at all.

In our car, you've gotta be super smooth rolling onto the throttle, especially powering out of corners, and unless you're going dead straight, you pretty much can't ever be 100%.

I wish I had data to support this claim, but I would imagine a majority of the time I'm on the throttle, it's between half and 7/8ths.


Here's are all the setup details for my car:
Eibach front bar, stiffer setting.
Koni Yellow off-the-shelf shocks (rebound adjustment only). 6/10 in the front, 8/10 rear
Stock front camber (~.7°)
Minimum rear camber (~1.2°) to help the diff not suck as much
0 front toe, ~1/8" rear toe in
stock wheels, 275/35R19 Hankook RS3 V2 tires on all 4

Perhaps the rear camber is the odd thing out there... I set it that way on the initial alignment and never changed it. The theory is that standing the rears up more would help even out rear grip while cornering, making the diff have to do less work.
question, I hear a lot of people saying the rear end is real loose on these cars, if so couldnt you go softer front setting on the eibach or softer on the koni fronts to help the rear stay in shape more ofter? im getting my 370 next week and already have koni yellows and rs-3's on order just trying to get a good starting point for next season
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question, I hear a lot of people saying the rear end is real loose on these cars, if so couldnt you go softer front setting on the eibach or softer on the koni fronts to help the rear stay in shape more ofter? im getting my 370 next week and already have koni yellows and rs-3's on order just trying to get a good starting point for next season
You actually want to do the opposite of what you're suggesting. Stiff front bar and shocks up front and softer in the rear.
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There have been 3 FasTracks so far with people asking for the car to move to BS. So far the response has been "We're not going to move any cars until after nationals", but now it's after nationals so I imagine the subject will be addressed at least once more in FasTrack.
I went ahead and put a plug in for the 370's to stay in CS. There are no national events this year where the 370 creamed the field. Aside from the beating you gave the field at crows landing this year...which doesn't help our case...maybe sand bag a little next time Jeff.

I went on to suggest that if they want to move the car out of a class it should be STR to STU since in ST form there would not be much difference between the 350 and 370.

If your an SCCA member and a Z driver I encourage you to take 5min and speak up.
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If anybody is interested in purchasing a Z for BS, I have a '14 in Gun Metallic ready to go. Aligned, RS3s, revalved Koni yellows, Eibach and Hotchkis front bars, and exhaust midpipe. All stock parts too. 500 miles on the car.
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I'm convinced that there's someone on the SEB that has a personal issue with the 370z. Looking at the results from nationals I don't know how you can argue that the Z was the dominant car. While the Z took 1st, it was only by ~.3 sec over the two days. The RX-8 and the MX-5 both seemed to do fine against the Z. The ones who suffered were the Toyobaru's. This seems to points out that the twins should be moved to DS, not the 370z to CS.

I guess if enough people buy the same car and all cry loud enough about having the wrong car for the class the SEB will eliminate your competition for you.

They could have at least one-lined the Z in BS instead of moving the Nismo to AS. How could they even think the Nismo could ever compete against older Vipers, 911's, C6 vettes, etc. Someone clearly had their head up their a$$ on this one.
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Looking at the results from nationals again, top BS times were very comparable to top CS times. This was the 370, NC, RX8 vs C5, s2k, and MSR.... the 370z-sport may still be competitive...
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They could have at least one-lined the Z in BS instead of moving the Nismo to AS. How could they even think the Nismo could ever compete against older Vipers, 911's, C6 vettes, etc. Someone clearly had their head up their a$$ on this one.
I don't think you want that... NISMO and Base in the same class makes the NISMO a requirement to have "the best car".
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Also, I imagine we'll find out when the FasTrack is released, but according to the post they're only moving the 370 to B and leaving the 350 in C.
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I'm convinced that there's someone on the SEB that has a personal issue with the 370z. Looking at the results from nationals I don't know how you can argue that the Z was the dominant car. While the Z took 1st, it was only by ~.3 sec over the two days. The RX-8 and the MX-5 both seemed to do fine against the Z. The ones who suffered were the Toyobaru's. This seems to points out that the twins should be moved to DS, not the 370z to CS.

I guess if enough people buy the same car and all cry loud enough about having the wrong car for the class the SEB will eliminate your competition for you.

They could have at least one-lined the Z in BS instead of moving the Nismo to AS. How could they even think the Nismo could ever compete against older Vipers, 911's, C6 vettes, etc. Someone clearly had their head up their a$$ on this one.
Ehhh....at some point every type of car seems to fall into this sort of things. The whole SEB thing is after my car, etc...

That said, Mark Andy runs a CS RX8, but I don't know where he stood on the matter.
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I don't think you want that... NISMO and Base in the same class makes the NISMO a requirement to have "the best car".
IMHO the "split" should be between the Base and the Sport package. ie. 370Z (base only) in CS and 370Z sport and Nismo in BS. Once you account for the fact that the Nismo is slightly heavier, its aero is pretty useless at autox speeds, and the rules would allow for a sport owner to swap the CBE to something that's even better than the Nismo I think the two are on pretty even footing. The only advantage the Nismo really has is the slightly wider wheels which personally I don't think that tiny bit will make that much of a difference.
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IMHO the "split" should be between the Base and the Sport package. ie. 370Z (base only) in CS and 370Z sport and Nismo in BS. Once you account for the fact that the Nismo is slightly heavier, its aero is pretty useless at autox speeds, and the rules would allow for a sport owner to swap the CBE to something that's even better than the Nismo I think the two are on pretty even footing. The only advantage the Nismo really has is the slightly wider wheels which personally I don't think that tiny bit will make that much of a difference.
The Nismo also has different springs which are shorter and firmer than the regular 370's, and wider wheels. These two factors, like the Z0K and MSR miata, are what bumps it up a class.
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If we gotta be in BS lets also get into STU. There are a bunch of other BS cars in the STU class why can't we be in there too? I just sent in a request, lets all do the same http://crbscca.com/?page=submitLetter.
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The Nismo also has different springs which are shorter and firmer than the regular 370's, and wider wheels. These two factors, like the Z0K and MSR miata, are what bumps it up a class.
And bigger sway bars I think, right?

The springs and sways are what make it a clear upgrade from the base model.
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With 9.5s in front, 305 square might have been a legit option. Oh well.
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If we gotta be in BS lets also get into STU. There are a bunch of other BS cars in the STU class why can't we be in there too? I just sent in a request, lets all do the same http://crbscca.com/?page=submitLetter.
We tried this before. Multiple people sent in a variant of a letter I posted. I think there is a 370Z rejection in every fast track for the last year. SCCA classing is silly, but please, keep trying.
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