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osbornsm 04-21-2014 07:24 AM

Learn me about differentials...
 
I went to a HPDE at Gingerman this weekend.
My goal was to get on the throttle sooner / carry more speed thru turns. In that, I was successful. The inside tire now lights up on turns for 20-30 feet.

I can manage the throttle and not do this as well... but isn't this what a differential is supposed to prevent?

Car has 4 track days and 33k miles. Mods in sig.


Update:
- Looking at Quaife rear diff @ Z1... suggestions?

clintfocus 04-21-2014 08:23 AM

Cusco type RS, OS Giken, Nismo Pro LSD. These are all quality clutch type limited slip differentials.

osbornsm 04-21-2014 08:47 AM

Does this mean the diff is fried already or just on it's way out?

How does one test this?

Chuck33079 04-21-2014 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by osbornsm (Post 2789086)
Does this mean the diff is fried already or just on it's way out?

How does one test this?

That depends on if you've got the VLSD from the sport package or the open diff from the base.

DR_ 04-21-2014 08:55 AM

Do you have aftermarket swaybars?

osbornsm 04-21-2014 09:22 AM

Stock sport package vehicle... so VLSD is included, but not terribly effective.

OEM sway bars as well.

Chuck33079 04-21-2014 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by osbornsm (Post 2789112)
Stock sport package vehicle... so VLSD is included, but not terribly effective.

OEM sway bars as well.

A set of aftermarket sways would be money well spent. It's a night-and-day difference from stock. It may even help with your traction issue. As cheap as they are, I'd try that first. Swapping the diff would be great, but it's a slippery slope of things to do "while you're in there". If you're dropping the pumpkin, maybe you want to do gears. Since it's already out, maybe a set of upgraded diff bushings. If you're opening it up, maybe that sexy finned Nismo diff cover. And so on. :rofl2:

Masterbeatty 04-21-2014 10:38 AM

I have one autox event with my quaife. I cant compare it to the VLSD, (base model), but i definately did not get any inside tire spin if you ease on the throttle. But if you MASH on the gas then i would power slide and oversteer. But once my race car fund gets alittle bigger i want to do the fined cover and bushings. I am pretty sure the helical type LSD is less suseptable to heat than the Clutch type or VLSD because its gears, but you also have to worry about the bearing surfaces too when it gets hot. For my install by a good dealer i paid $610 for the install but i already had the new bearings and ring gear bolts which is another $120, plus the new axle stub seals and drive seal, crush washers and oil $60. I didnt factor all this in when i was planning all this out but i can do the bushings and finned cover myself. It took them two days with juggling my car and a '09 GTR.

2011 Nismo#91 04-21-2014 10:43 AM

It could be the VLSD, they are only meant for light use. When the Diff Fluid (not the oil) heats up it won't work and will be an open diff until it cools off again. The sport diff will only last about 50K miles of street use before the hydraulic fluid wears out, tracking will wear it out much quicker so I would plan on getting a new, proper one sooner then later being at 33K miles.

GSS138 04-21-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2789122)
A set of aftermarket sways would be money well spent. It's a night-and-day difference from stock. It may even help with your traction issue. As cheap as they are, I'd try that first. Swapping the diff would be great, but it's a slippery slope of things to do "while you're in there". If you're dropping the pumpkin, maybe you want to do gears. Since it's already out, maybe a set of upgraded diff bushings. If you're opening it up, maybe that sexy finned Nismo diff cover. And so on. :rofl2:

Thank you for discussing my life right now. lol ;). I have decided to do the gears, but kitchen counters are coming first. I was able t finally land a nismo diff cover. HUGE thanks to Mike at corner3. I think he was like the first one in the country to get one in about 9 months.

Zauskycop 04-21-2014 11:01 AM

In a nutshell...
Viscous LSD work, but are much less effective as the heat up. They can wear out as previously mentioned.

Cusco...many others, are clutch pack type diffs, and are generally the best performing diffs. They are adjustable for performance, And they tend to be lighter (rotating mass...important). Their issue is that they will require maintenance over their lifetimes...being clutches.

Torsen style diffs (quaife) is a gear driven differential, a bit heavier than a clutch pack, but bulletproof. Put it in and never worry about it again. It's issue is that if you ever lose complete traction on one wheel (lift in the air, water, ice etc) it basically turns into an open diff until you get traction again.

I know the next question ; Why did nissan put in a VLSD in our car? Easy answer...want to guess which diff is the cheapest to produce?

Tracy Ramsey
2012 Base/Sport
99 Spec Miata

clintfocus 04-21-2014 11:59 AM

Nissan for years loves OE equipping their cars with crap VLSDs lol. Honestly they should've put the VLSD into the base model 370 and a torsen in the Sport package and Nismo, plus made the finned cover factory

cossie1600 04-21-2014 02:51 PM

Very typical, save up for a new diff

osbornsm 04-21-2014 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2789460)
Very typical, save up for a new diff

Presuming my Z is a daily driver... I am looking at a 1.5 way... not fully locking 2 way.

clintfocus 04-21-2014 05:46 PM

Get the OS Giken. Smoothest 1.5 out of the box


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