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nismo13807 02-28-2014 09:05 PM

oil starvation problem?
 
all i find in the search bar is fuel starvation problems... was wondering for those hardcore autocross/road racers.. did you guys experience oil starvation or low oil pressure during sharp turns?

i know people usually go for baffled pans to resolve this but the one i wanted was a.m. pan which they dont make anymore.. and i dont want the gtm one because it is too big for my liking... suggestion guys?

synolimit 03-01-2014 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nismo13807 (Post 2714032)
all i find in the search bar is fuel starvation problems... was wondering for those hardcore autocross/road racers.. did you guys experience oil starvation or low oil pressure during sharp turns?

i know people usually go for baffled pans to resolve this but the one i wanted was a.m. pan which they dont make anymore.. and i dont want the gtm one because it is too big for my liking... suggestion guys?

View Martin, spohn, clintforce, megan370's builds off the top of my head. See what they run. If they haven't blown a motor yet, I wouldn't worry about it. (Megan370 did blow one so idk).

Rusty 03-01-2014 06:00 AM

I'm using a AAM oil pan spacer from Z1.

Mr&Mrs 03-01-2014 06:20 AM

I think Megan lost his engine from oil starve, but he also had redline jacked up. It is a potential problem especially when you jack up the revs.

synolimit 03-01-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs (Post 2714245)
I think Megan lost his engine from oil starve, but he also had redline jacked up. It is a potential problem especially when you jack up the revs.

O think that's right. I didn't remember why he did it. Yeah anytime you go above the OEM redline they seem to blow the oil pump then everything else.

ENT-Z 03-02-2014 07:10 PM

I run this accusump external reservoir to decrease my chances of oil starve. My home track is a "Roval" so it is certainly a risk.

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps997eb5d0.jpg

2011 Nismo#91 03-03-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nismo13807 (Post 2714032)
s... was wondering for those hardcore autocross/road racers.. did you guys experience oil starvation or low oil pressure during sharp turns?

People have taken steps to reduce the chances of it happening as a precaution not because its know to be an issue.

Megan370z 03-03-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs (Post 2714245)
I think Megan lost his engine from oil starve, but he also had redline jacked up. It is a potential problem especially when you jack up the revs.

yup I had the rpm limit to 8050rpm

why ? because I would lose time if I was just shifting to the next gear jut to downshift 2 sec later...
I was pretty much only using the 8000limit during those time .
And nobody lost an engine before this . many others on the forum raised their RPM. It was not something new..

Why I got oil starvation ?
99% chance is from the big spin off on track doing a *tank slapper* then doing a 360.
because everything when started from there

I went back into the pit, everything seemed fine and I went back on the track just to leave it 1-2 laps after with a 280F+ and clicking noise in the head

at first it wasn't too bad I went back home then 200kms later the engine broke down and oil pump exploded due to the garbage broken parts from the VVEL (discovered during the engine inspection)

also there was the exhaust gear cam bolt that was relatively quite loose on the same side, I remember I could have un-tighten it by hand mostly... (10-15ft/pds max!!)


so yeah I made a custom inside baffle and added an Accusump !!

Accusump is a must !!!! well, a minimum I recommend now.

JWillis72 03-04-2014 11:36 AM

Megan370z, how long have you ran the accusump? I looked at adding one at one point and found reviews where people claimed they had problems long term with leaks so I didn't order one but I still like the idea. Where do you run your oil level at with it? I ask because I would think you would normally want your oil full but if it had to add oil then do you have to drain it or does it pump back into the accusump?

Megan370z 03-04-2014 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2719134)
Megan370z, how long have you ran the accusump? I looked at adding one at one point and found reviews where people claimed they had problems long term with leaks so I didn't order one but I still like the idea. Where do you run your oil level at with it? I ask because I would think you would normally want your oil full but if it had to add oil then do you have to drain it or does it pump back into the accusump?

I had it installed last winter.
There has been some leakage but this was due to the fitting not being tight enough which was my fault .

I haven't seen any leak at the unit itself yet and its been at 80-85psi full of oil since the last time I dropped the Z in my garage few 3 months ago.

If you track your Z, I strongly suggest anybody to get one !!! this can/could/will save you a lot of $$ down the road.

My oil level ? Its where it should be. you do need to fill the Accusump the first time you install it which you need to go gradually. I do it in 3 shot after an oil change which mine is their biggest Accusump.

I run with a manual valve by the center console when I first start it and right before shutting off the engine.

http://www.the370z.com/members/megan...-stavation.jpg

cossie1600 03-04-2014 03:50 PM

********, less than a handful of failures from oil starvation. You are more likely to get into a wreck than blowing up from oil starve.

Megan370z 03-04-2014 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2719550)
********, less than a handful of failures from oil starvation. You are more likely to get into a wreck than blowing up from oil starve.

you are right on this,

There isn't a whole lot that will blow their engine from oil starvation on the VQ platform from what Ive seen so far.

I wasn't lucky that day !
but this doesn't remove the fact that for the cost of an Accusump and the price of paying a whole engine and time its gonna take.
I strongly suggest to get an Accusump setup at minimum !

cossie1600 03-04-2014 04:07 PM

You can say the same about track insurance and many other pre cautions. To 75% of the people it will never be a problem

Megan370z 03-04-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2719579)
You can say the same about track insurance and many other pre cautions. To 75% of the people it will never be a problem

I still agree to this but I'm more talking to those 25% of peoples that seriously race the Z. the rest I don't exactly care.

All I'm saying is at minimum since I blew the engine I do recommend at minimum to have one.

Aren't those track insurance only to cover the damage you have done to the track and medical and not the actual car ?
I don't know anybody who took one but I keep hearing that same type of coverage, I never really did a research on this though.

I have a hard time believing you can get a track insurance for the car... it would be to easy to destroy it and get a replacement !! hehe

JWillis72 03-04-2014 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Megan370z (Post 2719600)

I have a hard time believing you can get a track insurance for the car... it would be to easy to destroy it and get a replacement !! hehe

You can get track insurance that covers the car, I have only had my Z 8 month so I take out track insurance when I go! It would cover the $25K I owe plus the $15K in upgrades if I totaled it. I couldn't bring myself to track it if I thought a mistake could cost me $40K plus!


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