SCCA STR 370z Progress Thread.... It can be done!

[synolimit]

Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

I probably run a whole lot more spring than you, but I am more than an inch lower than you. Tough to say since my fenders are cut down, etc.

I just have a 10k swift 2.5". I called FA, I'm just going to buy their rear shocks so I can't adjust preload. No spring should be loose in my book for performance or the binding/popping that goes on.

[Apollo8642]

Originally Posted by MIKE_STR

Look, it's a factual statement. Maybe you haven't encountered the right course on the right surface. I have no idea. Bottom line, your car is not generating the same g force in certain elements that mine is (assuming same surface and similar elements). There is no magic 370z that doesn't get fuel starve.

Once again, you could be on asphalt all the time. I don't know. You might never have fast right hand sweepers.. I don't know...

I never said I have some magic Z, or did I say I never had this issue, just never had it happen during autocross. You should go back, and read my posts.

Assume way, I'm 12 hours away from you. Come up to the SCCA National Tour in Packwood Wa. and you can drive my Nismo sense you're such a bada$$, and sense your seem to know my car's setup, and hell everything else.

Seriously though, it's an open invite. If you make it over this way I will be more then happy to let you drive, and maybe there is something both of us can learn in the process. That's happening July 5-6 in Packwood, WA at the former Hampton Mills Lumber Plant. PM me if you're interested.

[03threefiftyz]

I bet I could get your car to starve at your stated fuel level.....bring it to MD and let me give it a shot .

[Apollo8642]

Originally Posted by synolimit

Dude Jesus Christ, go away. If you can't read whats been said then don't say anything at all. Take your Jesus mobile that's better than all our since it can't fuel starve and go away.

Wow I'm Jesus Christ now! Thanks buddy I didn't think you liked me that much. Your an idiot for saying that cause that's not what I've said.

I think any spring no matter what needs preload set on the spring. If I do preload it the rear will be pretty much OEM height back there. I don't want to look like a funny car.

If you adjust ride height to adjust preload your are also moving the center of gravity of your vehicle, which could also give you negative side effects, on the road, and track. I thought I read some place you were having a traction issue, maybe something like this could be the cause.

Preloading springs on a MLS is properly done using coilovers that are not only height adjustable but also allows you to adjust the spring perch independently.
Depending on your setup, and spring rates you may not preload all your suspension when corner balancing, and in some cases you might have to add helper springs for corners that have none at all.

Hopefully this is helpful to you, or anyone else that might be looking at this dribble you continue to spout.

Or if you would rather the words of the internet;
Spring Pre-Load - Compressing a spring in advance of adding a load. For example taking a spring with a 100 pound linear spring rate, preloaded one-quarter inch, would take twenty-five pounds of force before it would further compress. In effect not moving until 26 pounds of force were applied, and only moving one-quarter inch when 50 pounds of force were applied, as opposed to the half inch the spring would have normally moved. The spring rate however has not changed, as it would continue compressing one-quarter inch for every additional 25 pounds of force applied throughout the active length of the spring, until the coils touched each other (bound).

By the way synolimit do you have a youtube channel or video links of your driving on a track, or autocrossing?

Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

I bet I could get your car to starve at your stated fuel level.....bring it to MD and let me give it a shot .

MD is a little to far for me, but if you came over here sure, and I'd let any competent person drive it.
My setup, and driving skill isn't perfect. There is always some more to learn, specially if someone is faster in my own car. I really find that exciting cause they can teach me something.
Warning if you break it you buy it.

[03threefiftyz]

I is incompetent. I kno smrt.

[synolimit]

Originally Posted by Apollo8642

Your an idiot for saying that cause that's not what I've said.

First off its "you're". If you're going to call someone an idiot don't be one yourself.

Originally Posted by Apollo8642

I haven't had any issue with full starvation of any kind

Lmao!!

Originally Posted by Apollo8642

I never said I have some magic Z, or did I say I never had this issue, just never had it happen during autocross. You should go back, and read my posts..

Lol you were saying? I did and it clearly says "of any kind." In English that means never, ever, ever, no matter what including street, auto, RR, hill climb, etc etc. and I'm the idiot haha.

Originally Posted by Apollo8642

If you adjust ride height to adjust preload your are also moving the center of gravity of your vehicle, which could also give you negative side effects, on the road, and track. I thought I read some place you were having a traction issue, maybe something like this could be the cause.

Preloading springs on a MLS is properly done using coilovers that are not only height adjustable but also allows you to adjust the spring perch independently.
Depending on your setup, and spring rates you may not preload all your suspension when corner balancing, and in some cases you might have to add helper springs for corners that have none at all.

Hopefully this is helpful to you, or anyone else that might be looking at this dribble you continue to spout.

Or if you would rather the words of the internet;
Spring Pre-Load - Compressing a spring in advance of adding a load. For example taking a spring with a 100 pound linear spring rate, preloaded one-quarter inch, would take twenty-five pounds of force before it would further compress. In effect not moving until 26 pounds of force were applied, and only moving one-quarter inch when 50 pounds of force were applied, as opposed to the half inch the spring would have normally moved. The spring rate however has not changed, as it would continue compressing one-quarter inch for every additional 25 pounds of force applied throughout the active length of the spring, until the coils touched each other (bound).

By the way synolimit do you have a youtube channel or video links of your driving on a track, or autocrossing?

You clearly know nothing about my setup because you refuse to read what I write! You call me out on weighing a car when the post you quoted showed the weight right there! How can it be off when its clear as day in a pic? Can you do basic math and see?

I've never said I had traction issues. I have a 300 utqg tire and a 57/43 weight ratio so it's not as good as it could be. No **** that's how you adjust height and pre load on a coilover! Hence why I asked what I asked then said ill just buy the FA shock! You seriously don't read and just like to start ****.

If and when I talk to you, you can respond. 350 got what I was saying and understood. Nothing in this thread have I said anything wrong, lied or incorrect. You've called me out 2-3 times on stuff when you don't have the facts or you just like to start ****. I've proved you wrong about my weight cause you called me a liar and yet you still try to start **** by saying the scales off when I ******* provided you proof that it wasn't. You're the only one here saying BS that your nismo, with you, and full tank was 3200! Then you gain 114lbs without you in the car without a full tank on another scale, so who wants to hear all your crap? I've at least been consistent. Get the **** out of here troll.

[frost]

Let's tone it down a notch in here. Keep disagreements civil, thanks.

[MIKE_STR]

Originally Posted by Apollo8642

I never said I have some magic Z, or did I say I never had this issue, just never had it happen during autocross. You should go back, and read my posts.

Assume way, I'm 12 hours away from you. Come up to the SCCA National Tour in Packwood Wa. and you can drive my Nismo sense you're such a bada$$, and sense your seem to know my car's setup, and hell everything else.

Seriously though, it's an open invite. If you make it over this way I will be more then happy to let you drive, and maybe there is something both of us can learn in the process. That's happening July 5-6 in Packwood, WA at the former Hampton Mills Lumber Plant. PM me if you're interested.

For the record, I know just about nothing and everything I say should be taken with a grain of salt. I'm also not a "badass". I just got humbled so bad in El Toro... Went home with my tail between my legs. I have this problem where I try cars that no one has before.. Over and over. This leads to virtually no success at a national level. I like spending money that I don't have and bitching about getting pounded ... Yet, I keep coming back for more.

If your primary testing ground is Packwood, that might explain why fuel starve hasn't happened. I've been to the Packwood tours twice. Not grippy asphalt at all if I recall. Awesome site though. Very beautiful.

Is your car ASP? Would love to talk shop. I just test fit some 18x11" +20 wheels square yesterday. They fit great. Should be able to stuff 295's front and maybe as much as 315 rear without any fender modification. Are you offering a co-drive for the tour? I'd be flattered.... But I ain't running the car with half a tank. I'll get too pissed when WE do fuel stave.

Btw, if you guys are still compelled to argue please do it somewhere else. I still plan on tooling my car for STR.... For the time being. Just messing around with other stuff as well.

[sixpax]

Originally Posted by MIKE_STR

For the record, I know just about nothing and everything I say should be taken with a grain of salt. I'm also not a "badass". I just got humbled so bad in El Toro... Went home with my tail between my legs. I have this problem where I try cars that no one has before.. Over and over. This leads to virtually no success at a national level. I like spending money that I don't have and bitching about getting pounded ... Yet, I keep coming back for more.

If your primary testing ground is Packwood, that might explain why fuel starve hasn't happened. I've been to the Packwood tours twice. Not grippy asphalt at all if I recall. Awesome site though. Very beautiful.

Is your car ASP? Would love to talk shop. I just test fit some 18x11" +20 wheels square yesterday. They fit great. Should be able to stuff 295's front and maybe as much as 315 rear without any fender modification. Are you offering a co-drive for the tour? I'd be flattered.... But I ain't running the car with half a tank. I'll get too pissed when WE do fuel stave.

Btw, if you guys are still compelled to argue please do it somewhere else. I still plan on tooling my car for STR.... For the time being. Just messing around with other stuff as well.

As long as you have fun, or enjoy it to some degree, or find it challenging ... it's all good. Only person that matters is, well, you.

I am slower than dirt on the track, but the thrill I get and the fun I have overcomes worrying about what anybody else thinks.

Going to have a go at some SCCA Solo this year, and have been reading your thread off and on, as well as many others. Sadly I will be classed SSM, I am too lazy to uninstall SPL suspension parts just to do autocross so SSM it is.

I feel that autocross can do nothing but good things for me at learning how to drive the car that would translate well to the track.

Best of luck on your STR project. I'll still be following, though it is a pain to wade through pages of ******** just to get to the stuff I came to read.

[sixpax]

Originally Posted by MIKE_STR

I just test fit some 18x11" +20 wheels square yesterday. They fit great. Should be able to stuff 295's front and maybe as much as 315 rear without any fender modification.

I thought STR had restrictions on tire width ?

[MIKE_STR]

Originally Posted by sixpax

I thought STR had restrictions on tire width ?

Oh, it does. 9" wide maximum with 255' tires max.

I'm just messing around in the hopes that the car gets moved to STU (where it should have been all along).

[Apollo8642]

Originally Posted by MIKE_STR

Is your car ASP? Would love to talk shop. I just test fit some 18x11" +20 wheels square yesterday. They fit great. Should be able to stuff 295's front and maybe as much as 315 rear without any fender modification. Are you offering a co-drive for the tour? I'd be flattered.... But I ain't running the car with half a tank. I'll get too pissed when WE do fuel stave.

Btw, if you guys are still compelled to argue please do it somewhere else. I still plan on tooling my car for STR.... For the time being. Just messing around with other stuff as well.

This is my first year in ASP, but I'm playing catch up when it comes to my setup. So far though I'm 2nd in class just under a EVO 10 which he's averaging 1.5 seconds faster then me.
My setup is on hold while I finish buying more chassis setup equipment. I have scales, and received on Friday my Longacre tow plates, and digital camber/caster gauge with the quick set adapter.

I'm envious of that tire setup. Right now I'm running 17x9 +15 275/40 and Rear 17x10 +12 295/40 w/ Kumho V710, which isn't the best or the brightest setup but it came with the car. I'm looking to go 18x10 to 18x10.5 all the way around and run 295 or 305 all the way around.

As for co-driving, I'll be heading up there regardless if I'm racing, or not. I don't think I'll be very competive at a National tour, but either way you could drive it as a co-driver, or as a solo. A national tour race might not be the best place to really get some fuel starvation testing done, but I'm game just the same.

[MIKE_STR]

Originally Posted by Apollo8642

This is my first year in ASP, but I'm playing catch up when it comes to my setup. So far though I'm 2nd in class just under a EVO 10 which he's averaging 1.5 seconds faster then me.
My setup is on hold while I finish buying more chassis setup equipment. I have scales, and received on Friday my Longacre tow plates, and digital camber/caster gauge with the quick set adapter.

I'm envious of that tire setup. Right now I'm running 17x9 +15 275/40 and Rear 17x10 +12 295/40 w/ Kumho V710, which isn't the best or the brightest setup but it came with the car. I'm looking to go 18x10 to 18x10.5 all the way around and run 295 or 305 all the way around.

As for co-driving, I'll be heading up there regardless if I'm racing, or not. I don't think I'll be very competive at a National tour, but either way you could drive it as a co-driver, or as a solo. A national tour race might not be the best place to really get some fuel starvation testing done, but I'm game just the same.

Woah. Do you mean 19x9 and 19x10? If you got 17's to fit.. What ones are those?

[Apollo8642]

Nope 5zigen fn01r-c 17's I would not recommend this setup, but it's cheaper on tires that's for sure.


You can put a credit card between the caliper and the rim. So anything that gets in between scuffs the rim, and that the top of the caliper, but doesn't cause any issues. This setup has seen the track many times, and autocross even more so it does work.

[Masterbeatty]

Originally Posted by Apollo8642

This is my first year in ASP, but I'm playing catch up when it comes to my setup. So far though I'm 2nd in class just under a EVO 10 which he's averaging 1.5 seconds faster then me.

I'm in the same boat. I'm second in ASP in the club I run with. A 06 sti running 23 lbs of boost is about 1 sec faster than me but his driving is inconcistant and he slides around a lot. I just need wider wheels and more meat all around and I would smoke him. But I need to save up alittle more. Def next year I'm going to have new wheels.