Stock suspension done at 20k

cv129 · 09-28-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I saw a set of v3 for 1200, was tempted except I want to find a place that can rebuild them first

Here's a start for ya

Revalving coilovers - evolutionm.net

IGoFast1589 · 09-30-2013, 09:44 AM

I think 9 out of 10 people would be happy with a simple set of springs paired with a good damper. I know one vendor sells the Konis/Swifts as a package which should be more than sufficient for most drivers. I'm sure it would be a very street friendly suspension as well and with a good driver behind the wheel you'd be able to lay down some aggressive lap times. It's more about the driver than the hardware at the end of the day.

cossie1600 · 09-30-2013, 03:58 PM

That's essentially what I see in the kW. It seems like it is for people who drive on the street where bilsteins have a dedicated custom revalve department. I am leaning toward the bilsteins right now.

GSS138 · 09-30-2013, 04:17 PM

I almost lose sleep over this same decision lol. From what I have seen, people have said, all the above. At this point I think for me the best decision is a set of Konis and Swifts+cambers. Cambers I think are the easiest instant upgrade that will make anyone faster next time they go to the track. It's a no brainer. I would argue that konis+swifts is a much better buy than a set of one-way's save for the ability to adjust ride height. Two-ways, personally I think would just set me back at this point.

The main decision making point for me though is that my times are still very slow compared to say a guy like clint or martin that are putting in some really fast times. Martin runs in the same driver class as I do(until recently) and he is a good 15 seconds faster than me at Big Willow. Yes some of it is because of hardware. 90% of it is driver ability.

Once I can put in a time at least in the same ballpark as either of those two guys, then maybe it is time for a 2 way setup. It's all about where you are at as a driver.

Apollo8642 · 09-30-2013, 05:14 PM

A guy I know picked up a set of Fortune Auto coils and really likes them. You can also upgrade the spring to Swift springs as well.

Home - Fortune Auto North America

cossie1600 · 10-01-2013, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GSS138

I almost lose sleep over this same decision lol. From what I have seen, people have said, all the above. At this point I think for me the best decision is a set of Konis and Swifts+cambers. Cambers I think are the easiest instant upgrade that will make anyone faster next time they go to the track. It's a no brainer. I would argue that konis+swifts is a much better buy than a set of one-way's save for the ability to adjust ride height. Two-ways, personally I think would just set me back at this point.

The main decision making point for me though is that my times are still very slow compared to say a guy like clint or martin that are putting in some really fast times. Martin runs in the same driver class as I do(until recently) and he is a good 15 seconds faster than me at Big Willow. Yes some of it is because of hardware. 90% of it is driver ability.

Once I can put in a time at least in the same ballpark as either of those two guys, then maybe it is time for a 2 way setup. It's all about where you are at as a driver.

It's the same reason I waited so long to mod because the car becomes a money pit!! Once you start, you are always chasing the dragon. It's almost better to leave it along to keep it simple, buy you just have to be slow

IGoFast1589 · 10-02-2013, 05:05 PM

I'm not an engineer, but after looking at the Fortunate Auto stuff I am pretty impressed... They've got it together over there. Their designs are really nice and their dampers are properly valved. I can't speak to their reliability because I have never used them and they certainly haven't been around as long as Bilstein or Penskee, but they have some legitimate suspension setups it seems. Not sure if the shock bodies are stainless or coated to resist corrosion or rust though? That's massively important for long term use. I once had a shitty coilover that was so corroded I couldn't get the locking collars to budge with a 3 foot extension off the collar. They essentially were garbage afterwards. Just don't go overkill on the spring rates. Unless you're REALLY trying to shave milliseconds, which most of us aren't, don't compromise your ride by going with aggressive rates. Over time that just makes stuff like your dashboard rattle and you're car will sound like a 17th century naval ship.

cossie1600 · 10-03-2013, 05:04 AM

I am going to stick with the known brands as they are easy to offload should I decide to move onto something else. Right now I definitely have the Bilsteins leaning at the top. Yes it is a few hundred dollars more, but I believe their racing department actually knows what they are doing and can help me get the right setup. Of course the information for the 370z Bilstein PSS kit is very limited, I don't even know how they compare with the other ones.

I am also debating hard if I should do a day at the local tracks to get some baselines first before I mod or if I should just do it and go. It's tempting to just order everything, but I need to be responsible and watch what I do. I think the list of upgrades would be sway bars, camber arms, coilovers. Which one should I do first? It's been years since I last modded cars, so need to start all over

Apollo8642 · 10-03-2013, 11:30 AM

LOL.... and I thought my girlfriend over thought stuff.

cossie1600 · 10-03-2013, 12:52 PM

It's hard to justify spending 5k on a car I track 10x a year...

Apollo8642 · 10-03-2013, 04:07 PM

K.I.S.S. Koni 4 ways, Swift R spings, and sway bars, FTW

H2O_Doc · 10-03-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I don't have a lot of miles on my car, but is it possible for the suspension to be worn out at 20 to 25k miles. I just seen to have a tough time running with people I normally am able to. Any suggestions on good cool overs? Thx

Why do the good things always happens to other people? My wife is South American catholic and if this happens to us, I could easily convince her god wanted us to get new suspension and I might even be able to slip in a cat back exhaust if I was really clever (something I'm not known for).

cossie1600 · 10-03-2013, 04:26 PM

Unfortunately in order for us to buy a home here in the Bay Area, we have to tighten our belts and choose wisely on what we get.

IMWEZL · 10-30-2013, 04:44 AM

I hear you! I was starting to get bored of C-Stock and after installing the Koni's I wanted something a little more. However, GOV budget cuts and military reductions are making me play it safe just in case I get told to go home and find a new line of work.

GSS138 · 10-31-2013, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Why do the good things always happens to other people? My wife is South American catholic and if this happens to us, I could easily convince her god wanted us to get new suspension and I might even be able to slip in a cat back exhaust if I was really clever (something I'm not known for).

Just burn a picture of a catback in the wall with a BBQ lighter and spill some red paint in tear drop formations around it in a circle.

God has definitely been to your garage.

CB in the mail.

09-30-2013, 04:17 PM	#34 (permalink)
GSS138 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Mission Viejo, CA Posts: 769 Drives: '12 370Z 6M Sport Rep Power: 13	I almost lose sleep over this same decision lol. From what I have seen, people have said, all the above. At this point I think for me the best decision is a set of Konis and Swifts+cambers. Cambers I think are the easiest instant upgrade that will make anyone faster next time they go to the track. It's a no brainer. I would argue that konis+swifts is a much better buy than a set of one-way's save for the ability to adjust ride height. Two-ways, personally I think would just set me back at this point. The main decision making point for me though is that my times are still very slow compared to say a guy like clint or martin that are putting in some really fast times. Martin runs in the same driver class as I do(until recently) and he is a good 15 seconds faster than me at Big Willow. Yes some of it is because of hardware. 90% of it is driver ability. Once I can put in a time at least in the same ballpark as either of those two guys, then maybe it is time for a 2 way setup. It's all about where you are at as a driver. __________________ Current Mods: Vorpal Weapon +5.

10-03-2013, 04:07 PM	#41 (permalink)
Apollo8642 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 187 Drives: 09 370Z Nismo #280 Rep Power: 13	K.I.S.S. Koni 4 ways, Swift R spings, and sway bars, FTW IGoFast1589 likes this.

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09-30-2013, 09:44 AM	#32 (permalink)
IGoFast1589 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 72 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 13	I think 9 out of 10 people would be happy with a simple set of springs paired with a good damper. I know one vendor sells the Konis/Swifts as a package which should be more than sufficient for most drivers. I'm sure it would be a very street friendly suspension as well and with a good driver behind the wheel you'd be able to lay down some aggressive lap times. It's more about the driver than the hardware at the end of the day.

09-30-2013, 03:58 PM	#33 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	That's essentially what I see in the kW. It seems like it is for people who drive on the street where bilsteins have a dedicated custom revalve department. I am leaning toward the bilsteins right now.

09-30-2013, 05:14 PM	#35 (permalink)
Apollo8642 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 187 Drives: 09 370Z Nismo #280 Rep Power: 13	A guy I know picked up a set of Fortune Auto coils and really likes them. You can also upgrade the spring to Swift springs as well. Home - Fortune Auto North America

10-02-2013, 05:05 PM	#37 (permalink)
IGoFast1589 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 72 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 13	I'm not an engineer, but after looking at the Fortunate Auto stuff I am pretty impressed... They've got it together over there. Their designs are really nice and their dampers are properly valved. I can't speak to their reliability because I have never used them and they certainly haven't been around as long as Bilstein or Penskee, but they have some legitimate suspension setups it seems. Not sure if the shock bodies are stainless or coated to resist corrosion or rust though? That's massively important for long term use. I once had a shitty coilover that was so corroded I couldn't get the locking collars to budge with a 3 foot extension off the collar. They essentially were garbage afterwards. Just don't go overkill on the spring rates. Unless you're REALLY trying to shave milliseconds, which most of us aren't, don't compromise your ride by going with aggressive rates. Over time that just makes stuff like your dashboard rattle and you're car will sound like a 17th century naval ship.

10-03-2013, 05:04 AM	#38 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	I am going to stick with the known brands as they are easy to offload should I decide to move onto something else. Right now I definitely have the Bilsteins leaning at the top. Yes it is a few hundred dollars more, but I believe their racing department actually knows what they are doing and can help me get the right setup. Of course the information for the 370z Bilstein PSS kit is very limited, I don't even know how they compare with the other ones. I am also debating hard if I should do a day at the local tracks to get some baselines first before I mod or if I should just do it and go. It's tempting to just order everything, but I need to be responsible and watch what I do. I think the list of upgrades would be sway bars, camber arms, coilovers. Which one should I do first? It's been years since I last modded cars, so need to start all over

10-03-2013, 11:30 AM	#39 (permalink)
Apollo8642 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 187 Drives: 09 370Z Nismo #280 Rep Power: 13	LOL.... and I thought my girlfriend over thought stuff.

10-03-2013, 12:52 PM	#40 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	It's hard to justify spending 5k on a car I track 10x a year...

10-03-2013, 04:26 PM	#43 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	Unfortunately in order for us to buy a home here in the Bay Area, we have to tighten our belts and choose wisely on what we get.

10-30-2013, 04:44 AM	#44 (permalink)
IMWEZL Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: HNL Posts: 603 Drives: 370Z/MKVII GTI Rep Power: 17	I hear you! I was starting to get bored of C-Stock and after installing the Koni's I wanted something a little more. However, GOV budget cuts and military reductions are making me play it safe just in case I get told to go home and find a new line of work.