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Sh0velMan 09-05-2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 2474920)
Oil pump. ;)

I believe that the lightweight crankshaft pulleys add to the problem of the oil pump failures. The lightweight pulleys change the harmonics on the end of the crankshaft. They set-up a vibration that can't be dampened out. Since the oil pump is driven off of the front end of the crankshaft. The vibration goes into the oil pump. breaking the gears in it. Dodge Hemi's have the same set-up almost. And there have been quite afew failures of the oil pump with the light weight pulleys on them too. :icon14:


Can you post ANY relevant information on this, or is this more "Lightweight Pulleys are the debil" hearsay?

And by relevant, I mean at least two VQ37VHR's with lightweight pulleys and oil pump failures at 'Normal' RPMs (ie, not revved to 9K where they blew up... revved to 7500-8000 where they blew up).

Rusty 09-05-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2475009)
Can you post ANY relevant information on this, or is this more "Lightweight Pulleys are the debil" hearsay?

And by relevant, I mean at least two VQ37VHR's with lightweight pulleys and oil pump failures at 'Normal' RPMs (ie, not revved to 9K where they blew up... revved to 7500-8000 where they blew up).

It's just my opinion. Connecting the dots more or less. ;) From some things that I have read. Seen first hand. Experienced myself. Like breaking a forged crankshaft in a Chevy LT1 I had some years ago. Having some friends who broke the oil pumps on their Hemi's.

DEpointfive0 09-05-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 2475039)
It's just my opinion. Connecting the dots more or less. ;) From some things that I have read. Seen first hand. Experienced myself. Like breaking a forged crankshaft in a Chevy LT1 I had some years ago. Having some friends who broke the oil pumps on their Hemi's.

Ding ding ding!!!

Those were most likely externally balanced. 99.99999% of new cars are internally balanced.
I have the Stillen pulley and I LOVE IT, great bang for the buck!

synolimit 09-05-2013 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2475138)
Ding ding ding!!!

Those were most likely externally balanced. 99.99999% of new cars are internally balanced.
I have the Stillen pulley and I LOVE IT, great bang for the buck!

Normal or under drive?

DEpointfive0 09-06-2013 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2475142)
Normal or under drive?

20% UD, OEM size is a bit useless IMO

One of my favorite mods, won't say MOST because its not a huge gainer, but I took it off to take to the dealership, and the difference is night and day
Revs so much nicer with it

I have a brand new one that I couldn't install on my first Maxima, and now that my pops has a Maxima, I'm gonna install it on his without telling him, lol

Megan370z 09-06-2013 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2474820)
There's at least two guys that lost their motors from oil pump failure running a 8k rpm redline. Z Eliminator and somebody else. Sam at Gtm also strongly advised against a higher than stock redline. The internals of the oil pump come apart at that speed. There's a Nismo unit with hardened internals, but its pricey.

Most people don't take theirs to the track. That's where failures occur. How often is someone at 8k rpm on the street?

the somebody else is probably me,
Yeah I blew the oem oil pump last year, in the very beginning we thought about the oil pump was the problem but after review of the event and datalog.
The verdict was the engine got oil starvation for half of a second which did a lot of damage to one of the VVEL head.

I limped back home then 200kms later the oil pump blew in thousand pieces !

Chuck33079 09-06-2013 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Megan370z (Post 2475288)
the somebody else is probably me,
Yeah I blew the oem oil pump last year, in the very beginning we thought about the oil pump was the problem but after review of the event and datalog.
The verdict was the engine got oil starvation for half of a second which did a lot of damage to one of the VVEL head.

I limped back home then 200kms later the oil pump blew in thousand pieces !

Why did the motor oil starve? How high were you revving that motor?

Megan370z 09-06-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2475301)
Why did the motor oil starve? How high were you revving that motor?

Time Attack, the rev limit was 8000 or 8050 .....

venus 09-06-2013 08:31 PM

Use The Force
 
At the point where performance is key this is simple if you use The Force. I’ve had a couple 13B rotary RX-7 engines custom built for me which redlined at all but Formula One RPMs. The power curve was blown through in the blink of an eye and you were off the scale. Pegging was common w/ no rev limiter so who knows how high RPMs reached. Some of my buddies drove their 7s like a bat out of Hell till the apex seals came apart. I drove on instinct and shifted a nanosecond after I felt the power drop – which was something that can’t be charted or measured. It’s an animal thing.

Shamu 09-07-2013 07:14 AM

Yep oil starve and crappy oil pump gear. I dry sumped my motor. Takes care of both issues.

I originally addressed oil starvation with AM performance oil pan.

Elmo370z 03-09-2016 03:23 PM

Got a reply back from.onpoint dyno about the 370z crank on his 9,000 rpms 350z

Elijah Morris Yes in endurance racing the 370z crank can not withstand extended 8700+ RPM use. However, for how little we run this engine the OEM crank is fine for 9000rpm. We generally don't leave the engine alone for more than 20-30 hours of run time, so it's not of much concern to us. However, real endurance racing teams have since switched to a forged crank for extended use, and most significantly the durability to withstand some driver-error enduced over-revs to 10,000+ rpm."

Chuck33079 03-09-2016 03:36 PM

Ah, an old Andre thread. He was so entertaining. :rofl2: His post history is quite a read.


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