370Z street touring class ?

nismosis · 07-31-2013, 09:41 PM

Letter submitted, fingers crossed.

Merlinshawn · 08-07-2013, 10:13 PM

Copied some of the info, but changed mine up some

I propose that all of the 370Z cars be moved from STR to STU. Almost all the factory wheel and tire sizes exceed the limits of STR. The 370Z comes with three different packages:
Base: Front tire 225/50R18 Wheel size 18x8
Rear tire 245/45R18 wheel size 18x9

Sport: Front tire 245/40R19 Wheel size 19x9
Rear tire 275/35R19 wheel size 19x10

Nismo: Front tire 245/40ZR19 Wheel size 19x9.5
Rear tire 285/35ZR19 Wheel size 19x10.5

The 370Z shares the same chassis platform with the G37 including engine, suspension, tire size, and wheel size. The different options offered for the 370Z are (G37 has comparable packages):
base: 332 hp @ 7,000 rpm Weight 3,278

Sport: Nissan Sport Brakes, Viscous Limited-Slip Differential
332 hp @ 7,000 rpm Weight 3,278

Nismo: Nissan Sport Brakes, Viscous Limited-Slip Differential, NISMO® Cat-back Exhaust System, NISMO® Swaybar Kit, NISMO® Aerodynamic body design, Tuned fuel map for
350 hp @ 7,400 rpm Weight 3,346

The 370Z is a market competitor to the Genesis, Mustang, and Camaro now classed in STU. The 370Z is already competitive with STU cars it shares in the ASP classing, Subaru WRX, Mitsubishi Evolution, and now C5 Corvette. The August Fastrack states, "One thing they all have in common is the ability, and need, to fit more tire than allowed in the lower classes," and this is exactly the case with the 370Z from the factory.

I also propose the 370Z Nismo should be looked at as an option package, not a different model. The 370Z Nismo package does not have any competitive advantage within the Street Touring allowable modifications. Any suspension, exhaust, or aerodynamic gain can be improved upon by a non-Nismo 370Z, with a lower starting weight.

The Street Touring classing is ment to fit between the current Sock and Street Prepared categories. With the current classing of the 370Z all of the models with the Sport and Nismo packages are exclude based on factory wheels and tires. Any modification beyond the stock/street limits force the car to move directly into the ASP class.

#12069

hot_mic_64d · 06-02-2014, 07:48 PM

Any word on this. Does it mean all nismo's are ASP?

gomer_110 · 06-02-2014, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hot_mic_64d

Any word on this. Does it mean all nismo's are ASP?

Yes, if you have a Nismo then it's straight to ASP (which is bullsh1t).

They really need to fix the classing if you ask me. All Z34's should be classed together in my opinion (CS, STR). Furthermore the Z34 should be moved from STR to STU and any tire width restrictions should be rewritten to allow stock tire sizes in the event the stock sizes do not meet the width restriction.

takjak2 · 06-20-2014, 08:55 PM

Update

Just looked through 2014 Fast Tracks, the requests to get the 370 in STU continue and continue to be dismissed.

Looks like there is someone(s) who wants the 370Z out of CS and into BS, which is also being rejected repeatedly with no changes until Nationals.

In the meantime I have been driving my dad's Focus ST in the very favorable GS class.

gomer_110 · 06-20-2014, 10:21 PM

Just my 2 cents but the proper classing for the Z34 should be:

Base = DS>STU>BSP
Sport & Nismo = CS>STU>BSP

Unfortunately I don't see anything changing until there are numerous Z's running STR and not being competitive. Samething with the ASP vs BSP issue. Problem is, who wants to run a car that isn't competitive just to prove a point.

03threefiftyz · 06-21-2014, 04:50 PM

No way on BSP...maybe if the s2k gets bumped and the 350 and 370 get moved to the same line...

gomer_110 · 06-21-2014, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

No way on BSP...maybe if the s2k gets bumped and the 350 and 370 get moved to the same line...

No problem with the 350 and 370 on the same line. Might even provide for some interesting part swaps between the platforms.

My real beef with the ASP classification is that in the ProSolo format the PAX is only .001 off that of the SSP cars. In what world is a 370 that close in performance to a GT-R or C6 vette?

03threefiftyz · 06-21-2014, 07:59 PM

Meh, I run pretty close to SSP times. I am definitely not in favor of the 370z going to BSP. There hasn't been a rulebook build from one and there hasn't been any top tier (no disrpect gents in here) driver running one yet. I am very much against putting them on the same line. That is a $10k check I have to write to build an SP 37HR and put it in the 350.

gomer_110 · 06-21-2014, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

Meh, I run pretty close to SSP times. I am definitely not in favor of the 370z going to BSP. There hasn't been a rulebook build from one and there hasn't been any top tier (no disrpect gents in here) driver running one yet. I am very much against putting them on the same line. That is a $10k check I have to write to build an SP 37HR and put it in the 350.

This is the crux of the issue. It's a catch 22 if you ask me. There hasn't been a rulebook build with a good driver but without favorable classing (atleast for a year or two) there might never be one.

stuy486 · 06-22-2014, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takjak2

Looks like there is someone(s) who wants the 370Z out of CS and into BS, which is also being rejected repeatedly with no changes until Nationals.

They're trying to get me out! Two letters in the last 4 months! There are now 6 drivers registered in 370s for CS at nationals, I can't wait

gomer_110 · 06-22-2014, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuy486

They're trying to get me out! Two letters in the last 4 months! There are now 6 drivers registered in 370s for CS at nationals, I can't wait

Any idea who the letters are coming from (as in the toyobaru's, RX-8s, etc)?

03threefiftyz · 06-22-2014, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomer_110

This is the crux of the issue. It's a catch 22 if you ask me. There hasn't been a rulebook build with a good driver but without favorable classing (atleast for a year or two) there might never be one.

3 years ago everyone told me I was wasting my time building a 350 for BSP....

...its done pretty well. That said, I have 125x the developement any 370z in ASP has. I can't stand the complaint that X car has no chance w/o anyone trying. The back of the rulebook (list of champions) is littered with folks who have won in a car with little perceived chance.

Bottom line, you are probably cough up 30-50k in parts/development (not including tires) for a rule book 370z in ASP. SP is not inexpensive and the cars become relatively hateful to drive outside of competition.

takjak2 · 06-22-2014, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

3 years ago everyone told me I was wasting my time building a 350 for BSP....

...its done pretty well. That said, I have 125x the developement any 370z in ASP has. I can't stand the complaint that X car has no chance w/o anyone trying. The back of the rulebook (list of champions) is littered with folks who have won in a car with little perceived chance.

Bottom line, you are probably cough up 30-50k in parts/development (not including tires) for a rule book 370z in ASP. SP is not inexpensive and the cars become relatively hateful to drive outside of competition.

I won't argue that a 370 can't win be competitive in ASP. It's the STR vs STU classing that is most silly.

03threefiftyz · 06-23-2014, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takjak2

I won't argue that a 370 can't win be competitive in ASP. It's the STR vs STU classing that is most silly.

It's one in the same, the 350 is winning...why would you bring in a 370z, which would completely kill competitive balance in STU. The evo guys are alredy bitching to no end. I still think the C5 is the car to have in STU, but Brian Peters is in the class (in a 350z)....so that's that.

08-07-2013, 10:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
Merlinshawn Base Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Carrollton, TX Posts: 44 Drives: 11 370Z Sport 5spd Rep Power: 14	Copied some of the info, but changed mine up some I propose that all of the 370Z cars be moved from STR to STU. Almost all the factory wheel and tire sizes exceed the limits of STR. The 370Z comes with three different packages: Base: Front tire 225/50R18 Wheel size 18x8 Rear tire 245/45R18 wheel size 18x9 Sport: Front tire 245/40R19 Wheel size 19x9 Rear tire 275/35R19 wheel size 19x10 Nismo: Front tire 245/40ZR19 Wheel size 19x9.5 Rear tire 285/35ZR19 Wheel size 19x10.5 The 370Z shares the same chassis platform with the G37 including engine, suspension, tire size, and wheel size. The different options offered for the 370Z are (G37 has comparable packages): base: 332 hp @ 7,000 rpm Weight 3,278 Sport: Nissan Sport Brakes, Viscous Limited-Slip Differential 332 hp @ 7,000 rpm Weight 3,278 Nismo: Nissan Sport Brakes, Viscous Limited-Slip Differential, NISMO® Cat-back Exhaust System, NISMO® Swaybar Kit, NISMO® Aerodynamic body design, Tuned fuel map for 350 hp @ 7,400 rpm Weight 3,346 The 370Z is a market competitor to the Genesis, Mustang, and Camaro now classed in STU. The 370Z is already competitive with STU cars it shares in the ASP classing, Subaru WRX, Mitsubishi Evolution, and now C5 Corvette. The August Fastrack states, "One thing they all have in common is the ability, and need, to fit more tire than allowed in the lower classes," and this is exactly the case with the 370Z from the factory. I also propose the 370Z Nismo should be looked at as an option package, not a different model. The 370Z Nismo package does not have any competitive advantage within the Street Touring allowable modifications. Any suspension, exhaust, or aerodynamic gain can be improved upon by a non-Nismo 370Z, with a lower starting weight. The Street Touring classing is ment to fit between the current Sock and Street Prepared categories. With the current classing of the 370Z all of the models with the Sport and Nismo packages are exclude based on factory wheels and tires. Any modification beyond the stock/street limits force the car to move directly into the ASP class. #12069 gomer_110 and chrischhorn like this. __________________ 2011 370Z Base Sport Fast Intentions High Flow Cats, Fast Intentions Cat Back Exhaust, Stillen Gen 3 Intake,Z1 Stainless Steel Brake Lines

06-02-2014, 07:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
hot_mic_64d Base Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Midland City, AL Posts: 31 Drives: 2013 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 11	Any word on this. Does it mean all nismo's are ASP? __________________ 2013 Nismo: Litespeed Titanium long tube intake, Uprev tune, Beluga Racing Axel backs, Beluga resonated test pipes, Advant Garde 310's 275's front, 305's rear (no rubbing) (stock ride height).

06-20-2014, 08:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
takjak2 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 1,922 Drives: Legit Racecar 370Z Rep Power: 142	Update Just looked through 2014 Fast Tracks, the requests to get the 370 in STU continue and continue to be dismissed. Looks like there is someone(s) who wants the 370Z out of CS and into BS, which is also being rejected repeatedly with no changes until Nationals. In the meantime I have been driving my dad's Focus ST in the very favorable GS class. __________________ Mods \| Stuff \| Things \| Seat Time \| Nismo facebook.com/TeamSparrowSpeed

06-20-2014, 10:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
gomer_110 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perrysburg, OH Posts: 17,992 Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM Rep Power: 36941	Just my 2 cents but the proper classing for the Z34 should be: Base = DS>STU>BSP Sport & Nismo = CS>STU>BSP Unfortunately I don't see anything changing until there are numerous Z's running STR and not being competitive. Samething with the ASP vs BSP issue. Problem is, who wants to run a car that isn't competitive just to prove a point. __________________ '11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Uprev \| CSF \| Zspeed \| Z1 Motorsports \| AST \| Swift \| SPC \| SPL \| Whiteline \| Hotchkis \| Bride \| Schroth \| Robispec \| Cusco \| Nismo \| Volk \| Forgestar \| Hoosier \| RJM '17 Titan Bone Stock

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03threefiftyz Track Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: MD Posts: 536 Drives: 03 350z 6mt Rep Power: 16	Meh, I run pretty close to SSP times. I am definitely not in favor of the 370z going to BSP. There hasn't been a rulebook build from one and there hasn't been any top tier (no disrpect gents in here) driver running one yet. I am very much against putting them on the same line. That is a $10k check I have to write to build an SP 37HR and put it in the 350.