Open diff or LSD for AutoX

clintfocus · 07-01-2013, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600

You will probably go faster with slicks, but the car will probably feel better with the LSD even though your lap times won't show it.

really depends on the scenario, from on track testing ive been involved with over here at Buttonwillow raceway park in socal, A properly setup Clutch type LSD on a 2WD car is anywhere from 1 to 2 seconds faster then a torsen gear type LSD on a 2 min average lap time track. Compared to a open diff the time improvement should be more. Of course slicks over stock tires would prolly be a 4-5 second improvement, but good diff AND good tires would be a huge jump.

cossie1600 · 07-01-2013, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintfocus

really depends on the scenario, from on track testing ive been involved with over here at Buttonwillow raceway park in socal, A properly setup Clutch type LSD on a 2WD car is anywhere from 1 to 2 seconds faster then a torsen gear type LSD on a 2 min average lap time track. Compared to a open diff the time improvement should be more. Of course slicks over stock tires would prolly be a 4-5 second improvement, but good diff AND good tires would be a huge jump.

That's what I meant. LSD is faster than the open diff, but the slicks help your times way more.

mdxj · 07-01-2013, 09:46 PM

Once I get more consistent I will step up to slicks but for now I need to get better on street tires. I am having a lot of fun in ASP right now.

GSS138 · 07-02-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Masterbeatty

Damn i didnt see your post my bad. I cant vouch for a new LSD but i was going to order coilovers and sways next, i have a better feel for what needs improvement.

This game is expensive yet so fun. my wife says its expensive but every time i upgrade something, after the cool down period she is happy.

Tell ya what else is expensive, those damn $200.00 bottles of face cream from macy's and Nordstrom's. lmao.

Dwnshift · 07-02-2013, 05:46 PM

OSGIKEN Ftw
Inside wheel spin sux

clintfocus · 07-02-2013, 07:10 PM

OS giken are really good and smooth, also the off the shelf settings are more then fine for most. Easy to install and just get out there and be happy. I have the Cusco RS 1.5, the off the shelf settings are too aggressive in my opinion, but when setup different it's quite nice. Also the cusco can be dissasembled and tuned in your garage, OS giken's need to be spent out to them to be retuned

SPOHN · 07-02-2013, 07:35 PM

OSG FTW. Love the 100% lock and 50% lock under deceleration the most. Mine has never made one peep. Always use there fluid though.

mdxj · 07-02-2013, 10:01 PM

I need to find somewhere to get it installed. I have never installed a diff before. Having a base car will make things easy though! I will finish out this season and probably order the OS Gilken over the winter. How often do you have to change the clutches in it?

dP3NGU1N · 07-02-2013, 11:20 PM

As far as they're concerned you should never have to rebuild the clutch.

Superior Overall Performance

- The OS LSD standard spec allows for low preload while still retaining a fully progressive 100% lock capability; basically, the vehicle will feel like driving on an open diff in slow turns / street driving, but can still transmit maximum power to the drive wheels under load.
- Operation is ultra quiet, and the progressive locking allows for smooth, predictable locking. Especially when replacing an open diff, equipping OS LSD will completely improve the driving experience while maintaining everyday drivability.
- Due to the precision manufacturing, high-grade materials, and unique design, a break-in period nor rebuild is required for OS Giken LSD’s. OS LSD is purposefully over-engineered to offer the best performing, most durable clutch-type LSD available.
- Aside from the performance advantage and stock-like feel at slow speeds, vehicles equipped with OS LSD are more stable in all road/weather conditions, allowing for a safer driving experience.
Product

mdxj · 07-02-2013, 11:43 PM

I have heard horror stories about clutch style LSD's from the local club but no one runs OS Gilken parts. I need to deploy again so I can save up for more parts! Looks like this will be before my new suspension and I need to see of I change classes. I like ASP but if this puts me into modified then so be it!

dP3NGU1N · 07-02-2013, 11:45 PM

If my LSD fails the forums will be the second to know, I'll be crying to my mechanic first. lol

gomer_110 · 07-02-2013, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdxj

I have heard horror stories about clutch style LSD's from the local club but no one runs OS Gilken parts. I need to deploy again so I can save up for more parts! Looks like this will be before my new suspension and I need to see of I change classes. I like ASP but if this puts me into modified then so be it!

lsd's are ASP legal. I plan on doing this mod this coming winter.

mdxj · 07-02-2013, 11:49 PM

Finding a good installer will be my biggest challenge. There is one near me that deals with the local exotics and GTR's that I know does great work. Otherwise it's a road trip to Dallas

chrischhorn · 07-05-2013, 03:42 AM

I autocrossed in my base model last season and it SUCKED! 1 wheel wonder around every corner. Couldnt power out of anything and really fuzzy through slaloms even if holding RPMs. Upgraded to an Quaife LSD and I could already tell the night and day difference. Traction is MUCH better even on my crap tires I have on now. I got moved from ASP to FP class cause I also installed 4.08 gears. I won't be all too competitive but it'll be fun! Car is going to be a whole different beast from last season though. 4.08 gears, Quaife LSD, Project Mu brake pads, dialed in camber settings, some weight reductions and last but not least, a brand new set of the BFGoodrich Rivals in a 275/35/18 fronts and a 295/35/18 rears

cossie1600 · 07-05-2013, 04:29 AM

Don't feel bad, the OEM LSD is not much better, we still do a lot of one wheel peel out

07-01-2013, 09:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
mdxj Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 290 Drives: 09 Nismo, 98 Jeep XJ Rep Power: 14	Once I get more consistent I will step up to slicks but for now I need to get better on street tires. I am having a lot of fun in ASP right now. __________________ '09 370 base - RIP '09 370 Nismo - New track car

07-02-2013, 05:46 PM	#20 (permalink)
Dwnshift Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cincy Posts: 717 Drives: NISMO 370Z RC Rep Power: 14	OSGIKEN Ftw Inside wheel spin sux SPOHN likes this.

07-02-2013, 07:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	OSG FTW. Love the 100% lock and 50% lock under deceleration the most. Mine has never made one peep. Always use there fluid though. __________________

07-02-2013, 10:01 PM	#23 (permalink)
mdxj Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 290 Drives: 09 Nismo, 98 Jeep XJ Rep Power: 14	I need to find somewhere to get it installed. I have never installed a diff before. Having a base car will make things easy though! I will finish out this season and probably order the OS Gilken over the winter. How often do you have to change the clutches in it? __________________ '09 370 base - RIP '09 370 Nismo - New track car

07-02-2013, 11:20 PM	#24 (permalink)
dP3NGU1N A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Irvine Posts: 1,682 Drives: 13 PW sport 6mt Rep Power: 18	As far as they're concerned you should never have to rebuild the clutch. Superior Overall Performance - The OS LSD standard spec allows for low preload while still retaining a fully progressive 100% lock capability; basically, the vehicle will feel like driving on an open diff in slow turns / street driving, but can still transmit maximum power to the drive wheels under load. - Operation is ultra quiet, and the progressive locking allows for smooth, predictable locking. Especially when replacing an open diff, equipping OS LSD will completely improve the driving experience while maintaining everyday drivability. - Due to the precision manufacturing, high-grade materials, and unique design, a break-in period nor rebuild is required for OS Giken LSD’s. OS LSD is purposefully over-engineered to offer the best performing, most durable clutch-type LSD available. - Aside from the performance advantage and stock-like feel at slow speeds, vehicles equipped with OS LSD are more stable in all road/weather conditions, allowing for a safer driving experience. Product __________________ 35% Hooper Optik \| Takeda Attack CAI \| F.I. HFC \| Hotchkis Sway Bar \| Stillen 24row \| OS Giken Super Lock LSD \| TK Shift Knob \| EVO-R Carbon Diffuser

07-02-2013, 07:10 PM	#21 (permalink)
clintfocus Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: los angeles Age: 38 Posts: 933 Drives: 370z, EK Civic, F150 Rep Power: 15	OS giken are really good and smooth, also the off the shelf settings are more then fine for most. Easy to install and just get out there and be happy. I have the Cusco RS 1.5, the off the shelf settings are too aggressive in my opinion, but when setup different it's quite nice. Also the cusco can be dissasembled and tuned in your garage, OS giken's need to be spent out to them to be retuned

07-02-2013, 11:43 PM	#25 (permalink)
mdxj Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 290 Drives: 09 Nismo, 98 Jeep XJ Rep Power: 14	I have heard horror stories about clutch style LSD's from the local club but no one runs OS Gilken parts. I need to deploy again so I can save up for more parts! Looks like this will be before my new suspension and I need to see of I change classes. I like ASP but if this puts me into modified then so be it! __________________ '09 370 base - RIP '09 370 Nismo - New track car

07-02-2013, 11:45 PM	#26 (permalink)
dP3NGU1N A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Irvine Posts: 1,682 Drives: 13 PW sport 6mt Rep Power: 18	If my LSD fails the forums will be the second to know, I'll be crying to my mechanic first. lol __________________ 35% Hooper Optik \| Takeda Attack CAI \| F.I. HFC \| Hotchkis Sway Bar \| Stillen 24row \| OS Giken Super Lock LSD \| TK Shift Knob \| EVO-R Carbon Diffuser

07-02-2013, 11:49 PM	#28 (permalink)
mdxj Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 290 Drives: 09 Nismo, 98 Jeep XJ Rep Power: 14	Finding a good installer will be my biggest challenge. There is one near me that deals with the local exotics and GTR's that I know does great work. Otherwise it's a road trip to Dallas __________________ '09 370 base - RIP '09 370 Nismo - New track car

07-05-2013, 03:42 AM	#29 (permalink)
chrischhorn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Mililani, HI Posts: 1,566 Drives: 2014 Juke Nismo RS Rep Power: 16	I autocrossed in my base model last season and it SUCKED! 1 wheel wonder around every corner. Couldnt power out of anything and really fuzzy through slaloms even if holding RPMs. Upgraded to an Quaife LSD and I could already tell the night and day difference. Traction is MUCH better even on my crap tires I have on now. I got moved from ASP to FP class cause I also installed 4.08 gears. I won't be all too competitive but it'll be fun! Car is going to be a whole different beast from last season though. 4.08 gears, Quaife LSD, Project Mu brake pads, dialed in camber settings, some weight reductions and last but not least, a brand new set of the BFGoodrich Rivals in a 275/35/18 fronts and a 295/35/18 rears __________________ R.I.P. 8/01/13 1SlowZ One day I'll have another....

07-05-2013, 04:29 AM	#30 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	Don't feel bad, the OEM LSD is not much better, we still do a lot of one wheel peel out

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