Nissan 370Z Forum  

Any drifters out there?

I have a issue. Whenever I try to exit a drift my car gets really snappy. My entry is on point and it holds the slide really well, it's just

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Track / Autocross / Drifting / Dragstrip


Like Tree19Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-04-2013, 04:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
Base Member
 
faplifesmitty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 32
Drives: 2010 370z MB 6MT
Rep Power: 12
faplifesmitty is on a distinguished road
Default Any drifters out there?

I have a issue. Whenever I try to exit a drift my car gets really snappy. My entry is on point and it holds the slide really well, it's just my exiting is not up to par. My buddy Marc( from we" drift) says its my diff attempting to correct my driving. Anyone else car to chime in?
faplifesmitty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2013, 04:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Irvine
Posts: 1,682
Drives: 13 PW sport 6mt
Rep Power: 18
dP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud of
Default

If you're on your stock diff then it's your diff slipping. The stock vlsd is very hard to control because it's never on full lock and its locking point is inconsistent at best. A diff doesn't try to "correct" anything, it only controls where your power is going. Its behavior is purely mechanical in nature and is not dictated by anything else.

Been to two drifting events with the stock LSD. Donuts/figure eights are fairly easy to control but long slides are difficult because when you try to modulate the lsd will fail to hold. I'm still working on getting my new LSD installed. Just waiting for parts.
Bswanny and DoomzShroomz like this.
__________________
35% Hooper Optik | Takeda Attack CAI | F.I. HFC | Hotchkis Sway Bar | Stillen 24row | OS Giken Super Lock LSD | TK Shift Knob | EVO-R Carbon Diffuser
dP3NGU1N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2013, 07:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
Base Member
 
faplifesmitty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 32
Drives: 2010 370z MB 6MT
Rep Power: 12
faplifesmitty is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N View Post
If you're on your stock diff then it's your diff slipping. The stock vlsd is very hard to control because it's never on full lock and its locking point is inconsistent at best. A diff doesn't try to "correct" anything, it only controls where your power is going. Its behavior is purely mechanical in nature and is not dictated by anything else.

Been to two drifting events with the stock LSD. Donuts/figure eights are fairly easy to control but long slides are difficult because when you try to modulate the lsd will fail to hold. I'm still working on getting my new LSD installed. Just waiting for parts.
I see, but my problem is finishing the slide.
How long where the long slides that you found difficult?
faplifesmitty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2013, 08:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Irvine
Posts: 1,682
Drives: 13 PW sport 6mt
Rep Power: 18
dP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by faplifesmitty View Post
I see, but my problem is finishing the slide.
How long where the long slides that you found difficult?
You say you understand and yet you say you're having problems as if the question had not been answered. You are going to continue having problems finishing your slides cleanly because you/we do not have a mechanical locking LSD. I'm not going to say it can't be done, I'm sure someone much better than I can do it with relative ease, but the characteristics of a viscous LSD is that it will never lock 100% and thus your car will retain grip at unexpected moments (IE at the end of your drift).

The key to drifting is to constantly keep the rear tires spinning so they cannot achieve grip. With an open diff you're basically only spinning 1 wheel which is not adequate to maintain a drift. As the VLSD heats up the viscous fluid that allows it to operate basically turns to mush and you're essentially trying to drift with an open diff. This is the problem. You have maybe 30 min to an hour on a track before that happens. Even when it is operating properly it's maybe 80% lock because the LSD is being turned by a liquid and fins instead of gears and discs.

Someone correct me if some of this is way off.

I'm actually not sure exactly how long the section of the track was. I want to say between 75 to 100 feet from entry to exit? but I could be way off... Never exactly walked the track.
VDC_OFF, DriftKr6l and Bswanny like this.
__________________
35% Hooper Optik | Takeda Attack CAI | F.I. HFC | Hotchkis Sway Bar | Stillen 24row | OS Giken Super Lock LSD | TK Shift Knob | EVO-R Carbon Diffuser
dP3NGU1N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013, 03:02 AM   #5 (permalink)
Base Member
 
DriftKr6l's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Elk Grove Vlg, Ill
Posts: 166
Drives: 09 370Z, 10 GT-R
Rep Power: 12
DriftKr6l will become famous soon enough
Default

Want Drift, need proper LSD, end of story.

Im prepping my Z for drifting now, a proper LSD is at the top of my list, I am still unsure which one to go with though, I like Kazz, had it in my S14.5, I also like the Nismo GT PRO, I dont think you need to spend over $1500 for a quality LSD.

Suspension is next.
VDC_OFF and DoomzShroomz like this.
DriftKr6l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 12:36 AM   #6 (permalink)
Base Member
 
faplifesmitty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 32
Drives: 2010 370z MB 6MT
Rep Power: 12
faplifesmitty is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N View Post
You say you understand and yet you say you're having problems as if the question had not been answered. You are going to continue having problems finishing your slides cleanly because you/we do not have a mechanical locking LSD. I'm not going to say it can't be done, I'm sure someone much better than I can do it with relative ease, but the characteristics of a viscous LSD is that it will never lock 100% and thus your car will retain grip at unexpected moments (IE at the end of your drift).

The key to drifting is to constantly keep the rear tires spinning so they cannot achieve grip. With an open diff you're basically only spinning 1 wheel which is not adequate to maintain a drift. As the VLSD heats up the viscous fluid that allows it to operate basically turns to mush and you're essentially trying to drift with an open diff. This is the problem. You have maybe 30 min to an hour on a track before that happens. Even when it is operating properly it's maybe 80% lock because the LSD is being turned by a liquid and fins instead of gears and discs.

Someone correct me if some of this is way off.

I'm actually not sure exactly how long the section of the track was. I want to say between 75 to 100 feet from entry to exit? but I could be way off... Never exactly walked the track.
Okay, I get it.That explains why things progressively got worse. My car also went into limp mode👎and the frustration got worse. Thanks for the reply btw
faplifesmitty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 12:48 AM   #7 (permalink)
Base Member
 
faplifesmitty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 32
Drives: 2010 370z MB 6MT
Rep Power: 12
faplifesmitty is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DriftKr6l View Post
Want Drift, need proper LSD, end of story.

Im prepping my Z for drifting now, a proper LSD is at the top of my list, I am still unsure which one to go with though, I like Kazz, had it in my S14.5, I also like the Nismo GT PRO, I dont think you need to spend over $1500 for a quality LSD.

Suspension is next.
Yea, I noticed. I'll just deal with it for now since I don't drift competitively. Suspension, wheels, and exhaust are coming soon though.
faplifesmitty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 03:12 AM   #8 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Irvine
Posts: 1,682
Drives: 13 PW sport 6mt
Rep Power: 18
dP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by faplifesmitty View Post
Okay, I get it.That explains why things progressively got worse. My car also went into limp mode👎and the frustration got worse. Thanks for the reply btw
Do you have an oil cooler? Our car desperately needs one if it's going to see the track at all. I recommend 25row stillen kit (you have difficultly getting to optimal temperature with anything larger). If you were not hitting high temperatures and STILL hit limp mode then disconnect the battery and drain it (sit on the brakes or something) and then reconnect. Should fix the issue. I hit something similar to limp mode without going over 220 oil temp. No CEL, nothing. Had to disconnect battery and do the drain thing before the car would let me go over 4k RPM again. I don't know why it locked me up but it did. After the reset it didn't happen again for the rest of the day though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by faplifesmitty View Post
Yea, I noticed. I'll just deal with it for now since I don't drift competitively. Suspension, wheels, and exhaust are coming soon though.
If you like drifting I would suggest an LSD over the suspension. Our cars don't exhibit a ridiculous amount of body roll so a full coilover can wait a bit. The benefits of the LSD over the suspension for drifting is going to be higher. Or get the suspension and wait on the rims. Our sport rims are great. Infact I'm considering buying base rims to drift on since they'll be easier to break loose.
__________________
35% Hooper Optik | Takeda Attack CAI | F.I. HFC | Hotchkis Sway Bar | Stillen 24row | OS Giken Super Lock LSD | TK Shift Knob | EVO-R Carbon Diffuser
dP3NGU1N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 01:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Oregon
Posts: 187
Drives: 09 370Z Nismo #280
Rep Power: 13
Apollo8642 is on a distinguished road
Default

I would highly recommend you do something about the fuel starvation the 370z suffers from as well.

Here is my guide lines of things you need to be able to drift proper. I have little over 13 years of drifting and being heavily into it. I have seen my share of cars go to the scap yard, including one I put there myself.
My last drift car engine build www.ka-t.org :: View topic - My build

#1, A good LSD 1.5way for more experienced drivers and 2way for the newbies. can't afford a good diff and still going to drift no matter what, you might as well just weld it. (yes you can daily drive a welded diff)
#2, Good brakes, and no ABS
#2 1/2, Cooling, oil, diff and power steering coolers, the Z's are known to boil their diff fluid, and that is a bad thing specially for a clutch type LSD, drifting puts a lot of heat in to your car, keeping the engine fluids, power steering fluids cool is important.
#3, Suspention, good coilovers (look and see what Chris Forsberg is running and his setup on his 370Z FD car) also include adjustable arms, bushings, and solid bushings for the diff, subframe, steering rack, and rear knuckles are best for drifting. Reason for these is the play you get from the rubber or poly bushings can be a little bit unpredictable, and installing solid bushing will make the car very loud, but it will handle more predictable and that is something you want.
#3 1/2, Get your car corner balanced and your suspension proper aligned for what your doing, it will make a huge difference.
#4, Fuel starvation, right hand turns are a bitch when you pushing those lateral G's in the 370z's.
The advice section:
#5, Make sure you have a second car, difting will break the things.
#6, Remember it's not if you wreck, it's when you wreck, and drifting can be damn expensive, don't be a cheap *** on parts either.
#7, Drifting is something you do before, in, and out of a corner. Power sliding, doughnuts, and power overs are not drifting, no matter what anyone else tells you.
#8, Work on your short game build a foundation then work your way up to the big stuff. Driving an under powered car is the best way to build a solid foundation. Cars like the AE86, and the S13/S14 etc (aka your drift bitch, something your not afraid to hurt and usually is ugly as hell but cheap for parts), will help you lean more and be a much better driver/drifter.
#9, Good Luck!
faplifesmitty and DriftKr6l like this.

Last edited by Apollo8642; 04-08-2013 at 01:24 PM.
Apollo8642 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 06:55 PM   #10 (permalink)
Base Member
 
DriftKr6l's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Elk Grove Vlg, Ill
Posts: 166
Drives: 09 370Z, 10 GT-R
Rep Power: 12
DriftKr6l will become famous soon enough
Default

Is there a fix for fuel starvation?
Does it start starving at certain fuel levels only?
DriftKr6l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 07:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Irvine
Posts: 1,682
Drives: 13 PW sport 6mt
Rep Power: 18
dP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud ofdP3NGU1N has much to be proud of
Default

People have reported it at around a quarter tank. I usually fill up before sessions and have yet to experience fuel starvation.
__________________
35% Hooper Optik | Takeda Attack CAI | F.I. HFC | Hotchkis Sway Bar | Stillen 24row | OS Giken Super Lock LSD | TK Shift Knob | EVO-R Carbon Diffuser
dP3NGU1N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 07:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Jbwrecked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: SA
Posts: 240
Drives: 2009 Nissan 370z
Rep Power: 12
Jbwrecked is on a distinguished road
Default

Happened to me a little under a quarter. After taking a hard right turn pretty aggressively. Seems to happen mostly on hard right turns
__________________
N/A Solid Red 2009 370z DD - Work Emotion CR-Kai 19x10.5 +22 19x11 +18 - Clutch Helper Spring - NEED MOAR MODZ! 1/4 Mile 13.56 @108.38
Jbwrecked is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 07:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Cbtech's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 1,372
Drives: 40th Anniversary
Rep Power: 15
Cbtech has much to be proud ofCbtech has much to be proud ofCbtech has much to be proud ofCbtech has much to be proud ofCbtech has much to be proud ofCbtech has much to be proud ofCbtech has much to be proud ofCbtech has much to be proud ofCbtech has much to be proud ofCbtech has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N View Post
People have reported it at around a quarter tank. I usually fill up before sessions and have yet to experience fuel starvation.
+1 has happened to me twice with a quarter tank. Just last night actually.
Cbtech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 09:45 PM   #14 (permalink)
Track Member
 
clintfocus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: los angeles
Age: 38
Posts: 933
Drives: 370z, EK Civic, F150
Rep Power: 15
clintfocus will become famous soon enough
Default

my 370 is not a drift car, but i run the Cusco Type RS clutch type differential, which has alot of tuneability. It can be setup for both 1.5 way or 2 way, as well as other settings that dictate lockup behavior
clintfocus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 12:08 AM   #15 (permalink)
Ronin Samurai - Assassin
 
Rusty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky
Age: 68
Posts: 35,180
Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M
Rep Power: 2684437
Rusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond repute
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by DriftKr6l View Post
Is there a fix for fuel starvation?
Does it start starving at certain fuel levels only?
Yes there is. You have to install "phunk's" road race pump kit. It's a second fuel pump that gets installed in the tank on the drivers side. It's not cheap. You're looking at a $1000.00. It will take you about a day to install it. Here's a link to my install, and another talking about the problem.

phunk's road race fuel pump install

Fuel Starvation Control Product
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 002.JPG (260.2 KB, 24 views)
__________________

浪人 - 殺し屋
"The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only"
http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html
Rusty is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Drifters In Northeast Houston Legend JRB Texas 0 03-12-2011 01:41 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2