V6 vs. V8 to Pull The Z

IMWEZL · 11-04-2012, 07:27 AM

Never thought about getting a rape van.

I have been comparing the new Durango. I like R/T with the Hemi V8. Towing capacity is 7400 lbs. Pricing thru the dealership is ridiculous. Going with USAA car buying service I have seen a few with the options I wanted in the $34-35K range. I owe the family an SUV we have been using my 2007 GTI as the family hauler.

marks370z · 11-04-2012, 02:37 PM

I have a 2006 4runner with a v6 and it has a towing capacity of about 5k lbs. Ive towed cement mixers, pretty good sized storage containers(uhaul) and will be towing my Z to buttonwillow when its ready. 4runner v6 is pretty reliable as well.

MightyBobo · 11-05-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by marks370z

I have a 2006 4runner with a v6 and it has a towing capacity of about 5k lbs. Ive towed cement mixers, pretty good sized storage containers(uhaul) and will be towing my Z to buttonwillow when its ready. 4runner v6 is pretty reliable as well.

Towing a UHaul with that might be sketchy, unless it's a dolly...and you might not want to do that lol. The UHaul trailers are like, 2500lbs or something, I think.

DR_ · 11-05-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by marks370z

I have a 2006 4runner with a v6 and it has a towing capacity of about 5k lbs. Ive towed cement mixers, pretty good sized storage containers(uhaul) and will be towing my Z to buttonwillow when its ready. 4runner v6 is pretty reliable as well.

So you are going to be over your towing limit, over your tongue weight limit, on a crappy trailer. What could go wrong?

MightyBobo · 11-05-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DR_

So you are going to be over your towing limit, over your tongue weight limit, on a crappy trailer. What could go wrong?

Details details.

DR_ · 11-05-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Details details.

I guess I shouldn't bring up the insurance denial of claim, gross negligence lawsuits, or the criminal negligence aspects either.

nabenson · 11-05-2012, 11:18 AM

U-Haul trailers are too heavy for that setup. My truck has a 6,300lb capacity, and a tongue weight of about 600lbs. I try to stay below about 5,800lbs total weight. I use the U-Haul trailers about 90% of the time.

U-Haul trailer = 2,000 lbs
Z = 3,400 lbs (for the purpose of this discussion)
Driver = 210lbs (me)
Gasoline = 18 gallons x 6lb = 108lbs

that's about 5718lbs with me, the Z, the trailer, and fuel. I would be very uncomfortable going much higher than that, given the capacity rating of the truck.

In general exceeding 90% of your limit is not a good idea. If anything goes wrong you are much more likely to have a bad outcome from it.

marks370z · 11-05-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DR_

So you are going to be over your towing limit, over your tongue weight limit, on a crappy trailer. What could go wrong?

I never said i had a crappy trailer. Regarding the towing and tongue limit, with a single axle aluminum trailer weighing less than 1000# and even with a fully loaded Z, which mine wont be since it will have some weight reduction for track, it will still be well within the limit.

MightyBobo · 11-05-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by marks370z

I never said i had a crappy trailer. Regarding the towing and tongue limit, with a single axle aluminum trailer weighing less than 1000# and even with a fully loaded Z, which mine wont be since it will have some weight reduction for track, it will still be well within the limit.

A single axle trailer seems a bit light...can you show me some single axles that would even support the Z properly?

marks370z · 11-05-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

A single axle trailer seems a bit light...can you show me some single axles that would even support the Z properly?

Heavy-weight Aluminum Single Axle Utility Trailers

There's a couple others that aluma makes that are lighter but the 8112 seems perfect.

DR_ · 11-05-2012, 11:45 AM

Just looked it up and the U-Haul car trailer weight is 2210 lbs.

DR_ · 11-05-2012, 02:52 PM

I am sure you could upgrade the axle to 5000 lbs. however most states require brakes on car trailers. I highly recommend electronic trailer brakes and a good brake controller.
Since you are so close to maximum you really need a load distribution hitch.
Single axle trailers sway really badly but with a load distribution hitch and sway control it problably would be managable.
I had a custom 16" 2 axle trailer made as I wanted some pretty specific stuff.
I have divided garage stalls and I wanted to be able to put the trailer in the garage so I had them make it as wide as possible while still fitting, which was 93". Typical car trailers are 102" wide.
I had removable trailer fenders put on both sides.
I had rollers put on the back so it would not bottom out going down my driveway.
I had LED lights put on.
I had 7' ramps instead of the typical 4-6' ramps
The trailer came out to be 1500 lbs which is not much more than the same size aluminum
The price was $2200 which is about half what a comparable aluminum would be.

marks370z · 11-05-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DR_

I am sure you could upgrade the axle to 5000 lbs. however most states require brakes on car trailers. I highly recommend electronic trailer brakes and a good brake controller.
Since you are so close to maximum you really need a load distribution hitch.
Single axle trailers sway really badly but with a load distribution hitch and sway control it problably would be managable.
I had a custom 16" 2 axle trailer made as I wanted some pretty specific stuff.
I have divided garage stalls and I wanted to be able to put the trailer in the garage so I had them make it as wide as possible while still fitting, which was 93". Typical car trailers are 102" wide.
I had removable trailer fenders put on both sides.
I had rollers put on the back so it would not bottom out going down my driveway.
I had LED lights put on.
I had 7' ramps instead of the typical 4-6' ramps
The trailer came out to be 1500 lbs which is not much more than the same size aluminum
The price was $2200 which is about half what a comparable aluminum would be.

If you don't mind me asking, who did you have make it? Do they have a site?

MightyBobo · 11-05-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by motaboata

I dont own her no more cant post the photos... I miss her but dont miss the payment

That seems like a hell of a price man.

Personally I'd like to go aluminum since I only have the 5.3 liter Silverado and I'd like to lessen my load as much as possible. These UHauls are so heavy...

Sent from my Galaxy S3

BGTV8 · 11-05-2012, 03:34 PM

Sway = not enoughball weight, opr possibly gross mass of trailer and load is uot of proportion to the tow-car weight.

A good rule of thumb is that the weight of the vehicle doing the towing ought to be about half the comined weight of tow vehicle, trailer and trailer load.

I tow with a 5.4 litre Ford V8 utility - 550 Nm of torque and1700kg dry weight (the vehicle type is really only seen in Oz) - a bit like a low slung C1500 or F150, and will be upgrading to a Nissan Navara with 3-litre twin turbo diesel (650Nm of torque) next year.

Trailer weighs 700Kg and race car weighs 1000kg and we also carry 70kg of wheels/tyres as well as around a 100Kg of tools and other spares.

I run the tow car on propane with a 140 litre tank in the tub and that gives me 18 litres/100kms when towing, with a 600km range.

I have towed with a 4-litre straight 6 but they really don't have the torque to maintain a reasonable speed and work pretty hard on the hills.

11-04-2012, 02:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
marks370z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: SoCal Age: 32 Posts: 472 Drives: '12 PW NISMO Z34 Rep Power: 14	I have a 2006 4runner with a v6 and it has a towing capacity of about 5k lbs. Ive towed cement mixers, pretty good sized storage containers(uhaul) and will be towing my Z to buttonwillow when its ready. 4runner v6 is pretty reliable as well. __________________ NISMO

11-05-2012, 02:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
DR_ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 981 Drives: Touring/Sport M6 PG Rep Power: 17	I am sure you could upgrade the axle to 5000 lbs. however most states require brakes on car trailers. I highly recommend electronic trailer brakes and a good brake controller. Since you are so close to maximum you really need a load distribution hitch. Single axle trailers sway really badly but with a load distribution hitch and sway control it problably would be managable. I had a custom 16" 2 axle trailer made as I wanted some pretty specific stuff. I have divided garage stalls and I wanted to be able to put the trailer in the garage so I had them make it as wide as possible while still fitting, which was 93". Typical car trailers are 102" wide. I had removable trailer fenders put on both sides. I had rollers put on the back so it would not bottom out going down my driveway. I had LED lights put on. I had 7' ramps instead of the typical 4-6' ramps The trailer came out to be 1500 lbs which is not much more than the same size aluminum The price was $2200 which is about half what a comparable aluminum would be. Last edited by DR_; 11-05-2012 at 02:54 PM.

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11-04-2012, 07:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
IMWEZL Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: HNL Posts: 603 Drives: 370Z/MKVII GTI Rep Power: 17	Never thought about getting a rape van. I have been comparing the new Durango. I like R/T with the Hemi V8. Towing capacity is 7400 lbs. Pricing thru the dealership is ridiculous. Going with USAA car buying service I have seen a few with the options I wanted in the $34-35K range. I owe the family an SUV we have been using my 2007 GTI as the family hauler.

11-05-2012, 11:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
nabenson Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 103 Drives: 10 370z Nismo PW M6 Rep Power: 15	U-Haul trailers are too heavy for that setup. My truck has a 6,300lb capacity, and a tongue weight of about 600lbs. I try to stay below about 5,800lbs total weight. I use the U-Haul trailers about 90% of the time. U-Haul trailer = 2,000 lbs Z = 3,400 lbs (for the purpose of this discussion) Driver = 210lbs (me) Gasoline = 18 gallons x 6lb = 108lbs that's about 5718lbs with me, the Z, the trailer, and fuel. I would be very uncomfortable going much higher than that, given the capacity rating of the truck. In general exceeding 90% of your limit is not a good idea. If anything goes wrong you are much more likely to have a bad outcome from it.

11-05-2012, 11:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
DR_ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 981 Drives: Touring/Sport M6 PG Rep Power: 17	Just looked it up and the U-Haul car trailer weight is 2210 lbs.

11-05-2012, 03:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
BGTV8 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: 03350 Australia Posts: 1,515 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 39974	Sway = not enoughball weight, opr possibly gross mass of trailer and load is uot of proportion to the tow-car weight. A good rule of thumb is that the weight of the vehicle doing the towing ought to be about half the comined weight of tow vehicle, trailer and trailer load. I tow with a 5.4 litre Ford V8 utility - 550 Nm of torque and1700kg dry weight (the vehicle type is really only seen in Oz) - a bit like a low slung C1500 or F150, and will be upgrading to a Nissan Navara with 3-litre twin turbo diesel (650Nm of torque) next year. Trailer weighs 700Kg and race car weighs 1000kg and we also carry 70kg of wheels/tyres as well as around a 100Kg of tools and other spares. I run the tow car on propane with a 140 litre tank in the tub and that gives me 18 litres/100kms when towing, with a 600km range. I have towed with a 4-litre straight 6 but they really don't have the torque to maintain a reasonable speed and work pretty hard on the hills.