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Red__Zed 09-17-2012 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1920303)
The frame machine came back dead on so there was no pulls made to the sub frame/ unibody area. The alignment was hardly off. I haven't been on the tack in close to four months. I am running on new tires with about 800 miles on them. Maybe it's me. My nerves were shot trying to get back into the feel of it all. But even then I didn't feel right.

I talk to my buddy Mike and he feels also the toe maybe the issue along with the sway being to stiff. The turn in felt great but the exit of all turns felt slick. Maybe the tires need more time. Just trying to get different views here.

the obvious first comment is the new tires...you sure mold release, etc was good?




If we are staying on the topic of toe, you dialed in .08 of toe in, when the 370Z has an issue of too much toe when in on-throttle corner exits. If you were noticing it while on the gas, that really doesn't surprise me much...you were probably seeing an excessive amount of toe-in.

SPOHN 09-17-2012 10:01 PM

It was definitely when on throttle or applying throttle.

Red__Zed 09-17-2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1921275)
It was definitely when on throttle or applying throttle.

I think the toe explanation is pretty reasonable then.

I definitely saw gain of > 1/32 when on throttle exit, and starting at .08 means you are probably seeing some crazy numbers.

Red__Zed 09-20-2012 09:56 PM

chris, you ever get a chance to tweak the toe and see how it felt?

SPOHN 09-21-2012 05:59 AM

Not yet. Changing traction arms tomorrow. Alignment next Friday. Been crazy busy with life lately.

MACSIMIZER 09-21-2012 07:28 AM

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sig11 09-21-2012 08:50 AM

Some much more experienced folks have chimed in already but the first thing I would have done in that instance was soften the rear sway bar.

My first event of the year was my first on coilovers and with the rear bar at full stiff the car was very unpredictable and liked to step out mid-corner. (It put me 4 off twice! in one session) Dropped it to the middle setting and the car was much more predictable.

SPOHN 09-21-2012 09:43 AM

I'm going to make a handful of adjustments. With as much weight out of the rear and the roll cage added its definitely light and stiff back there.

Ubetit 09-21-2012 10:42 AM

I wouldn't put the rear sway on full stiff. I'm looking at the Whitelines and even on the softest setting, they are something like 30% stiffer. With the sways super stiff, you leave a lot up to the traction of the outside tire.

Dwnshift 09-21-2012 08:38 PM

I would have rechecked the toe.
Toe in will not do what you were experiencing. There are sooooo many things it could be.
Just as an FYI... Our front bar is 1.75" and our rear bar rates just a bit stiffer than stock ;)
Again.... Without knowing everything.... It could be anything.

SPOHN 09-21-2012 09:22 PM

I feel now it's the sway bar. I'm changing traction arm tomorrow and will recheck alignment after. Do you guys feel I should keep the toe at .08 in?

I think I might had another issue. The same day I had a small fuel leak from the stock fuel side. A single screw was missing that holds the pump in and the O ring expanded allowing fuel to come out. So it ended up being a good bit coming out under track conditions. I wonder being the tank is on the outside of the car if the fuel was spilling onto the tire. Some fuel ended up in the passenger side floor board also. I had been testing the handling of the car on the street with no issues till that day.

ZeN 09-21-2012 09:43 PM

SPOHN, what you describe is exactly how I felt when running with my hotchkis sway bar set to full stiff at rear, I'll loosen it up to lowest if I were you.

SPOHN 09-21-2012 10:32 PM

That's what I was running (full stiff). Worked super great for me. But I believe the roll cage stiffened up the rear a lot. Never got to fully test my car after for the day I went to the track it was raining. definitely going softer setting. I'll get it right. It's definitely not the toe.

threeseventy 09-21-2012 11:41 PM

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Shamu 09-22-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by M.Bonanni (Post 1920313)
I highly doubt the toe-in was the issue unless he accidentally went toe-out. You say you did or did not change the traction arms prior to the event? If you did, that's likely the issue as they can affect bump steer. Where exactly was it loose? Entry? Mid-corner? Braking? Exit? All of the above? If you answered all of the above its most likely a toe situation unless there is something mechanically wrong/broken that you didn't notice.

I agree sounds more like toe out issue or something that is not right after accident. Too much rear bar can be problem too.


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