Track Day Best Practices - MUST READ

brucelidat · 09-04-2012, 08:19 PM

Great advice. If everyone is cool and respectful, then everyone will have a good time. All ti takes is one jackass to make it suck for everyone. Don't have an ego.

cossie1600 · 09-04-2012, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Google searching didn't seem like it turned up an inordinate number of complaints, but I'll take your word for it

Some bad traffic, but I can find complaints about anything you can imagine heh.

Anyone run Castrol SRF in these cars yet? Another option, but even pricier than the RBF600 I'm used to (by about +50%).

Search on SCCA/NASA forums, you will get better answers. They are like Hawk HPS, all hype and useless.

And yes I used the SRF too

asdfsammich · 09-04-2012, 09:48 PM

Sweet post!

Read T · 09-04-2012, 10:49 PM

I would also mention Safety First. Of course this would be stressed at any driver meeting, but having a good Helmet that is up to code is a must. I would highly recommend some form of neck protection as well.

I would recommend checking lugs with a torque wrench before starting each run.

Personally I've never had problems with ATE SuperBlue on my 240sx on track.

chops · 09-04-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

How noisy/dusty are xp8s for daily driving?

if you're worried about dust with track oriented brake pads for daily driving, id simply suggest you swap them out between the track pads and daily pads. the pad swap on our cars is SO easy.

its as simple as lifting the car, removing the wheel, turning the steering wheel so you have more room, then remove 2 cotter pins, remove the 2 retaining bars and the retaining clip. voila, your pads are free! shouldnt take you more than 20-30min per side!

TX_370Z · 09-04-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by martin82

dont forget the clutch fluid you will boil that too, just use the same fluid u upgrade with the brakes and should be all good! If you track with synchro rev on you will eventually boil it WAY sooner.

Very true.

cossie1600 · 09-04-2012, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chops

if you're worried about dust with track oriented brake pads for daily driving, id simply suggest you swap them out between the track pads and daily pads. the pad swap on our cars is SO easy.

its as simple as lifting the car, removing the wheel, turning the steering wheel so you have more room, then remove 2 cotter pins, remove the 2 retaining bars and the retaining clip. voila, your pads are free! shouldnt take you more than 20-30min per side!

The XP8 is slightly quieter, but really annoying. It also releases a nasty dust that is very hard to clean. My wheels are pitted now because of it

Carbotech XP10 brakes - YouTube

threeseventy · 09-05-2012, 01:41 AM

Take the tow hook out of your trunk (when you pull the tools) and PUT IT ON YOUR CAR! There's a removable plate in your grill and it just screws in. Don't be that guy that's beached for 3-4 sessions because there wasn't a tow hook and you went shell collecting... they WILL leave you out there, we will all point and laugh, and you will sit.. there's no reimbursement for dumbsh*ttery!

370Z Purist · 09-05-2012, 02:16 AM

A friend of mine's father races vintage with his track-prepped 240Z using ATE and hasn't run into any issues with boiling his fluid.

Motul's fluid is expensive but mind-blowingly good, if the numbers are to be believed. RBF660 puts even RBF600 to shame. By the numbers, Motul is better than ATE, although by just enough.

SE5spd · 09-05-2012, 02:56 AM

I use project mu g-four 335 and XP10, thinking of bumping up to XP12 next time.

people saying XP pads are really noisy - did you bed them in correctly? mine HARDLY make noise.

SE5spd · 09-05-2012, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

A friend of mine's father races vintage with his track-prepped 240Z using ATE and hasn't run into any issues with boiling his fluid.

Motul's fluid is expensive but mind-blowingly good, if the numbers are to be believed. RBF660 puts even RBF600 to shame. By the numbers, Motul is better than ATE, although by just enough.

Its a lot of factors, weight, tires, pads, caliper size etc. My friend uses ATE on his track 350z with BBK without a problem but my other friend uses ATE on his full weight 350z with base model 2 piston brakes and runs into boiling issues.

370Z Purist · 09-05-2012, 03:57 AM

Then saying ATE is a bunch of crap would be misplaced, simply that the 370Z needs a higher dry boiling point, considering track use.

SE5spd · 09-05-2012, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

Then saying ATE is a bunch of crap would be misplaced, simply that the 370Z needs a higher dry boiling point, considering track use.

It just depends on the car...a Miata will do fine with ATE.

Mike · 09-05-2012, 09:37 AM

The 370Z has crap for brake cooling. Use the better higher boiling point fluids and don't skimp here.

The same brakes on the G37 have way less issues than we have at the track, so its all in the cooling.

sig11 · 09-05-2012, 10:33 AM

I've not had problems using ATE brake fluid... but I usually flush the Friday before. Worst part about them is that it comes in a 1L can. Don't think you can save the extra more than few days! :P

XP8 & XP10s are very quiet until you wear off the bedded pad material... I have been swapping to bobcats when I change tires.

09-04-2012, 08:19 PM	#16 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	Great advice. If everyone is cool and respectful, then everyone will have a good time. All ti takes is one jackass to make it suck for everyone. Don't have an ego. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

09-04-2012, 10:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
Read T A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,046 Drives: 11 Nissan 370z BC 6M Rep Power: 18	I would also mention Safety First. Of course this would be stressed at any driver meeting, but having a good Helmet that is up to code is a must. I would highly recommend some form of neck protection as well. I would recommend checking lugs with a torque wrench before starting each run. Personally I've never had problems with ATE SuperBlue on my 240sx on track. __________________ 2011 Nissan 370z Black Cherry Sport Pkg - Daily Driver, , 1960 Morgan +4 fun car, 1986 BMW 325ES, 1998 M3 and 1996 Spec Miata - Race Cars SUPPORT TEAM WINSOME RACING - WRL, CHUMP, LEMONS

09-05-2012, 01:41 AM	#23 (permalink)
threeseventy Track Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 600 Drives: Opinion Rep Power: 15	Take the tow hook out of your trunk (when you pull the tools) and PUT IT ON YOUR CAR! There's a removable plate in your grill and it just screws in. Don't be that guy that's beached for 3-4 sessions because there wasn't a tow hook and you went shell collecting... they WILL leave you out there, we will all point and laugh, and you will sit.. there's no reimbursement for dumbsh*ttery! chknhawk likes this.

09-05-2012, 02:16 AM	#24 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	A friend of mine's father races vintage with his track-prepped 240Z using ATE and hasn't run into any issues with boiling his fluid. Motul's fluid is expensive but mind-blowingly good, if the numbers are to be believed. RBF660 puts even RBF600 to shame. By the numbers, Motul is better than ATE, although by just enough. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

09-05-2012, 02:56 AM	#25 (permalink)
SE5spd Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 276 Drives: Z33 Rep Power: 13	I use project mu g-four 335 and XP10, thinking of bumping up to XP12 next time. people saying XP pads are really noisy - did you bed them in correctly? mine HARDLY make noise. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/zndhnm

09-04-2012, 09:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
asdfsammich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 456 Drives: 09 370Z SR MT Rep Power: 13	Sweet post!

09-05-2012, 03:57 AM	#27 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	Then saying ATE is a bunch of crap would be misplaced, simply that the 370Z needs a higher dry boiling point, considering track use. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

09-05-2012, 09:37 AM	#29 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	The 370Z has crap for brake cooling. Use the better higher boiling point fluids and don't skimp here. The same brakes on the G37 have way less issues than we have at the track, so its all in the cooling. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

09-05-2012, 10:33 AM	#30 (permalink)
sig11 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,294 Drives: 09 370Z Red Sport-MT Rep Power: 18	I've not had problems using ATE brake fluid... but I usually flush the Friday before. Worst part about them is that it comes in a 1L can. Don't think you can save the extra more than few days! :P XP8 & XP10s are very quiet until you wear off the bedded pad material... I have been swapping to bobcats when I change tires.

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