Track Day Best Practices - MUST READ

ResIpsa · 09-07-2012, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600

ate is garbage. go search on their failure rate

+1

martin82 · 09-04-2012, 04:34 PM

I use motul 660 with upgrade SS brake lines...

wstar · 09-04-2012, 04:38 PM

Google searching didn't seem like it turned up an inordinate number of complaints, but I'll take your word for it

Some bad traffic, but I can find complaints about anything you can imagine heh.

Anyone run Castrol SRF in these cars yet? Another option, but even pricier than the RBF600 I'm used to (by about +50%).

cossie1600 · 09-04-2012, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar

Google searching didn't seem like it turned up an inordinate number of complaints, but I'll take your word for it

Some bad traffic, but I can find complaints about anything you can imagine heh.

Anyone run Castrol SRF in these cars yet? Another option, but even pricier than the RBF600 I'm used to (by about +50%).

Search on SCCA/NASA forums, you will get better answers. They are like Hawk HPS, all hype and useless.

And yes I used the SRF too

GrooveStyle · 09-04-2012, 07:12 PM

This is a really sweet thread, thanks for posting!

Snakes709 · 09-04-2012, 07:14 PM

Just adding my tips in which i think are the most important ones for first timers

-Dont go with a piss pour attitude, this includes but not limited to... showing off, eager to beat a driver/car, thinking you know how to race because you blast around turns on the steets and so on...

-If avalible, get a instructor to go with you for your first session

-be safe, make smart decisions and have fun.

As for the topic on brake fluid. My buddy boiled his oem fluid in his Evo, i didnt on my first time with my car because i wasnt pushing it hard at all. I switched to Motul RBF 600 my second time out with my 431hp setup and good thing as well because i beat the **** out of my brakes. My poor red brembo calibers are now purple.

GSS138 · 05-23-2013, 04:19 PM

Agree with all the above, would like to add:

In the word's of our lead instructor,"How many of you drove your cars here? How many would like to drive them home?"

It sounds like a joke, but it is a grim reality of tracking your car and once you realize that, you won't chuckle anymore. The track is not go-karts, the track is for real.

That being said, brakes, brake fluid, SS brake lines, I think are the most important things you can do. I so far have not needed anything but the OEM BBS pads. But, if you are going to spend money on upgrades, that should be first.

OEM tires are fine, in fact they are quite good for starters. Your first time out, you shouldn't be pushing them that hard anyway.

Also here's another recommendation but not necessary-go to a sporting goods store and buy a left and right handed golf glove that match. Bingo, you now have driving gloves for <$20.00.

brucelidat · 09-04-2012, 07:19 PM

Great advice. If everyone is cool and respectful, then everyone will have a good time. All ti takes is one jackass to make it suck for everyone. Don't have an ego.

asdfsammich · 09-04-2012, 08:48 PM

Sweet post!

Read T · 09-04-2012, 09:49 PM

I would also mention Safety First. Of course this would be stressed at any driver meeting, but having a good Helmet that is up to code is a must. I would highly recommend some form of neck protection as well.

I would recommend checking lugs with a torque wrench before starting each run.

Personally I've never had problems with ATE SuperBlue on my 240sx on track.

370Z Purist · 09-05-2012, 01:16 AM

A friend of mine's father races vintage with his track-prepped 240Z using ATE and hasn't run into any issues with boiling his fluid.

Motul's fluid is expensive but mind-blowingly good, if the numbers are to be believed. RBF660 puts even RBF600 to shame. By the numbers, Motul is better than ATE, although by just enough.

SE5spd · 09-05-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

A friend of mine's father races vintage with his track-prepped 240Z using ATE and hasn't run into any issues with boiling his fluid.

Motul's fluid is expensive but mind-blowingly good, if the numbers are to be believed. RBF660 puts even RBF600 to shame. By the numbers, Motul is better than ATE, although by just enough.

Its a lot of factors, weight, tires, pads, caliper size etc. My friend uses ATE on his track 350z with BBK without a problem but my other friend uses ATE on his full weight 350z with base model 2 piston brakes and runs into boiling issues.

SE5spd · 09-05-2012, 01:56 AM

I use project mu g-four 335 and XP10, thinking of bumping up to XP12 next time.

people saying XP pads are really noisy - did you bed them in correctly? mine HARDLY make noise.

370Z Purist · 09-05-2012, 02:57 AM

Then saying ATE is a bunch of crap would be misplaced, simply that the 370Z needs a higher dry boiling point, considering track use.

SE5spd · 09-05-2012, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

Then saying ATE is a bunch of crap would be misplaced, simply that the 370Z needs a higher dry boiling point, considering track use.

It just depends on the car...a Miata will do fine with ATE.

09-04-2012, 04:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Google searching didn't seem like it turned up an inordinate number of complaints, but I'll take your word for it Some bad traffic, but I can find complaints about anything you can imagine heh. Anyone run Castrol SRF in these cars yet? Another option, but even pricier than the RBF600 I'm used to (by about +50%). __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

09-04-2012, 07:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
Snakes709 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 Evo-X GSR Rep Power: 18	Just adding my tips in which i think are the most important ones for first timers -Dont go with a piss pour attitude, this includes but not limited to... showing off, eager to beat a driver/car, thinking you know how to race because you blast around turns on the steets and so on... -If avalible, get a instructor to go with you for your first session -be safe, make smart decisions and have fun. As for the topic on brake fluid. My buddy boiled his oem fluid in his Evo, i didnt on my first time with my car because i wasnt pushing it hard at all. I switched to Motul RBF 600 my second time out with my 431hp setup and good thing as well because i beat the ** out of my brakes. My poor red brembo calibers are now purple. sfearl1, bushyguy and tims370z like this. __________________ 2011 Evo-GSR** AMS 2.4 stroker/ bore, FP Black build in progress. Sponsor: DSG Performance Last edited by Snakes709; 09-04-2012 at 07:17 PM.

05-23-2013, 04:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
GSS138 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Mission Viejo, CA Posts: 769 Drives: '12 370Z 6M Sport Rep Power: 14	Agree with all the above, would like to add: In the word's of our lead instructor,"How many of you drove your cars here? How many would like to drive them home?" It sounds like a joke, but it is a grim reality of tracking your car and once you realize that, you won't chuckle anymore. The track is not go-karts, the track is for real. That being said, brakes, brake fluid, SS brake lines, I think are the most important things you can do. I so far have not needed anything but the OEM BBS pads. But, if you are going to spend money on upgrades, that should be first. OEM tires are fine, in fact they are quite good for starters. Your first time out, you shouldn't be pushing them that hard anyway. Also here's another recommendation but not necessary-go to a sporting goods store and buy a left and right handed golf glove that match. Bingo, you now have driving gloves for <$20.00. __________________ Current Mods: Vorpal Weapon +5.

09-04-2012, 07:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	Great advice. If everyone is cool and respectful, then everyone will have a good time. All ti takes is one jackass to make it suck for everyone. Don't have an ego. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

09-04-2012, 09:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Read T A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,046 Drives: 11 Nissan 370z BC 6M Rep Power: 18	I would also mention Safety First. Of course this would be stressed at any driver meeting, but having a good Helmet that is up to code is a must. I would highly recommend some form of neck protection as well. I would recommend checking lugs with a torque wrench before starting each run. Personally I've never had problems with ATE SuperBlue on my 240sx on track. __________________ 2011 Nissan 370z Black Cherry Sport Pkg - Daily Driver, , 1960 Morgan +4 fun car, 1986 BMW 325ES, 1998 M3 and 1996 Spec Miata - Race Cars SUPPORT TEAM WINSOME RACING - WRL, CHUMP, LEMONS

09-04-2012, 04:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
martin82 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 2,636 Drives: 12 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 20	I use motul 660 with upgrade SS brake lines...

09-04-2012, 07:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
GrooveStyle Base Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Waterloo, Iowa Posts: 230 Drives: '12 370z GM 6MT Rep Power: 14	This is a really sweet thread, thanks for posting!

09-04-2012, 08:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
asdfsammich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 456 Drives: 09 370Z SR MT Rep Power: 14	Sweet post!

09-05-2012, 01:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	A friend of mine's father races vintage with his track-prepped 240Z using ATE and hasn't run into any issues with boiling his fluid. Motul's fluid is expensive but mind-blowingly good, if the numbers are to be believed. RBF660 puts even RBF600 to shame. By the numbers, Motul is better than ATE, although by just enough. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

09-05-2012, 01:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
SE5spd Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 276 Drives: Z33 Rep Power: 13	I use project mu g-four 335 and XP10, thinking of bumping up to XP12 next time. people saying XP pads are really noisy - did you bed them in correctly? mine HARDLY make noise. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/zndhnm

09-05-2012, 02:57 AM	#14 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	Then saying ATE is a bunch of crap would be misplaced, simply that the 370Z needs a higher dry boiling point, considering track use. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

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