370z drift setup?

VDC_OFF · 08-11-2012, 12:59 PM

Yes but you will be limited to only two initiation techniques.

One is the feint which is when you throw the weight of the car by first swerving to the oppostite direction of the turn and then quickly jerking your car towards the turn while countersteering immediately while gassing.

The other is like I was mentioning before, just entering the turn at a high RPM and stepping hard on the gas to break traction while counter steering.

Maybe a third if you are very good which is having such a high speed that you quickly let off the throttle during the turn to break traction like Keiichi Tsuchiya shows in his drift bible video.

You will not be able to pull the handbrake since you need to do that with the clutch and of course no clutch kicking which is my favorite :/

Z370Z011 · 08-11-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VDC_OFF

Yes I came from a 240 as well and noticed that the 240 since it was light was great on short turns but ran out of power on big high speed turns. This car is the opposite. My biggest tip that most people fail to instruct on is steering. Steering is everything, as soon as you initiate the drift you have to throw the steering wheel all the way in the opposite direction because this thing gets sideways quick. Do that and just feather the throttle until it's under control and you will see this thing go forever, more gas more smoke

I like clutch kicking versus ebrake cause it's easier, but you will see that this car makes so much power you don't need either. I can initiate by just stepping on the gas.

Check out my vid in my journal below, I show a lot of mistakes you can learn from lol.

Thanks!

I really want to start sliding my car!
My bad. I live in Los Angeles

Japanjay · 08-11-2012, 05:19 PM

When I was in Japan, there was actually alot of guys that ran with auto's. More specifically the guys in the mark II's, chasers, and aristos that had the 2jz and older 1jz's in them, too exspensive and hard to source the tranny and rear end out of the new supras. They would do the "feint" (never heard it called that, we always just refered to it as inertia drifiting), but also grab on the e-brake to initiate the slide. It is easy to spot since all of a sudden the rear tire is no longer spinning for a split second. Keep it in manual mode. My friends that would go to comps there were telling me that if you didnt use the ebrake they would docked points or the run wouldnt be counted.

I would assume that a square set-up preferable in the 18" range somewhere around a 265-275 at most all season non-directional so as to be able to rotate front to back and also cheaper than 19's, would be what I would look into. Get some elcheapo 18's, I would try to get a set of 4 then find a set of 2, off craigslist then go to a used tire shop and and get the cheapest tires that give you a square setup. Take 2 spares, one in the trunk and the other on the passenger seat with a towel. Burn through the first set, swap out with the spares, burn through those but keep in mind that you need to get home on them, then swap front to rear. 3 sets for playing and practicing.

I think the car suspension and power wise is more than enough. My concerns would lie in what was already mentioned regarding the steering angle not being able to go far enough and also the factory LSD. Outside of that this car is pretty much ready to go for a novice. I would even think about getting the beefiest rear sway bar to help even more in inducing over steer.

Can the front sway be disconnected on this chassis without causing issues to it?

VDC_OFF · 08-11-2012, 06:06 PM

I have personally tried to pull an ebrake on an auto 350 and wasn't very successful because the engine is still connect to the tranny and your brake fights against the engine. So the car just acted really confused and i Looked like an idiot. You need a clutch to separate the two and then you can completely stop the rear wheels from spinning so not sure how they were doing it.

I bought a set of stock 18's and the stock tires which are 245 and 265 worked great. New rears will last a full day for an beginner\intermediate driver with about 20-30 short runs. Once you get good you will need to bring extra spares. I would disagree with used tires as they don't last as long and you will waist time swapping them out. Plus new tires drive so much better, when they get worn down you start spinning out a lot.

Z370Z011 · 08-13-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VDC_OFF

I have personally tried to pull an ebrake on an auto 350 and wasn't very successful because the engine is still connect to the tranny and your brake fights against the engine. So the car just acted really confused and i Looked like an idiot. You need a clutch to separate the two and then you can completely stop the rear wheels from spinning so not sure how they were doing it.

I bought a set of stock 18's and the stock tires which are 245 and 265 worked great. New rears will last a full day for an beginner\intermediate driver with about 20-30 short runs. Once you get good you will need to bring extra spares. I would disagree with used tires as they don't last as long and you will waist time swapping them out. Plus new tires drive so much better, when they get worn down you start spinning out a lot.

Do you think adding a carbon fiber hatch will mess with the weight in the car making it too light in the back for drifting or auto track?

Kingbaby · 08-13-2012, 06:30 PM

You are already thinking in the wrong direction...

Chuy · 08-13-2012, 10:12 PM

Sorry to have jacked your thread about the auto tranny. I also will be coming from the 240 crowd.

Z370Z011 · 08-14-2012, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingbaby

You are already thinking in the wrong direction...

What do you mean?

Z370Z011 · 08-14-2012, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuy

Sorry to have jacked your thread about the auto tranny. I also will be coming from the 240 crowd.

Lol its cool man. There always something to learn.

VDC_OFF · 08-14-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Z370Z011

Do you think adding a carbon fiber hatch will mess with the weight in the car making it too light in the back for drifting or auto track?

Im not sure of the weight difference but if anything it will help decrease weight for flicking the car in short turns and should help prevent spinouts. This car is easy to spin out because it has so much weight in the rear that you barely need to do anything to get it sideways. If you clutch kick/ebrake/feint, its just for a second and then you're sideways so you may have to initiate a bit harder but I doubt it will make that much of a difference. But losing weight is never a bad thing for this heavy car.

bboylegit · 09-03-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by VDC_OFF

Im not sure of the weight difference but if anything it will help decrease weight for flicking the car in short turns and should help prevent spinouts. This car is easy to spin out because it has so much weight in the rear that you barely need to do anything to get it sideways. If you clutch kick/ebrake/feint, its just for a second and then you're sideways so you may have to initiate a bit harder but I doubt it will make that much of a difference. But losing weight is never a bad thing for this heavy car.

I had my friend in my car and we were doing some clutch kicks and messing around and he said it feels like the VDC is still on even though i turned it off. Did you come across this problem and if so, how did you fix it to turn the VDC completely off?

_ace_ · 09-03-2012, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bboylegit

I had my friend in my car and we were doing some clutch kicks and messing around and he said it feels like the VDC is still on even though i turned it off. Did you come across this problem and if so, how did you fix it to turn the VDC completely off?

Strangely, I've repeatedly heard that you need to pull the brake light fuse. I've never bothered to try it.

Japanjay · 09-03-2012, 01:38 AM

I have had it kick on even with the VDC off.

VDC_OFF · 09-03-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bboylegit

I had my friend in my car and we were doing some clutch kicks and messing around and he said it feels like the VDC is still on even though i turned it off. Did you come across this problem and if so, how did you fix it to turn the VDC completely off?

Nope, never had that problem. Sometimes I forget to turn it off after turning off and on the car and then it wont let me drift but as soon as i turn it off its play time! Just make sure you keep your foot on the gas when you quickly kick the clutch. What exactly is it doing?

bboylegit · 09-03-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VDC_OFF

Nope, never had that problem. Sometimes I forget to turn it off after turning off and on the car and then it wont let me drift but as soon as i turn it off its play time! Just make sure you keep your foot on the gas when you quickly kick the clutch. What exactly is it doing?

Maybe I'm just tripping. It kind of feels like the car is correcting itself.

08-11-2012, 12:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
VDC_OFF A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Houston (Pearland) Age: 44 Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 370Z M6 Rep Power: 17	Yes but you will be limited to only two initiation techniques. One is the feint which is when you throw the weight of the car by first swerving to the oppostite direction of the turn and then quickly jerking your car towards the turn while countersteering immediately while gassing. The other is like I was mentioning before, just entering the turn at a high RPM and stepping hard on the gas to break traction while counter steering. Maybe a third if you are very good which is having such a high speed that you quickly let off the throttle during the turn to break traction like Keiichi Tsuchiya shows in his drift bible video. You will not be able to pull the handbrake since you need to do that with the clutch and of course no clutch kicking which is my favorite :/ __________________ DRIFTING JOURNAL \| Follow me on Instagram \| Facebook \| Houston Halos Last edited by VDC_OFF; 08-11-2012 at 01:01 PM.

08-11-2012, 05:19 PM	#18 (permalink)
Japanjay Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Puyallup Posts: 856 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z MB M6 Rep Power: 14	When I was in Japan, there was actually alot of guys that ran with auto's. More specifically the guys in the mark II's, chasers, and aristos that had the 2jz and older 1jz's in them, too exspensive and hard to source the tranny and rear end out of the new supras. They would do the "feint" (never heard it called that, we always just refered to it as inertia drifiting), but also grab on the e-brake to initiate the slide. It is easy to spot since all of a sudden the rear tire is no longer spinning for a split second. Keep it in manual mode. My friends that would go to comps there were telling me that if you didnt use the ebrake they would docked points or the run wouldnt be counted. I would assume that a square set-up preferable in the 18" range somewhere around a 265-275 at most all season non-directional so as to be able to rotate front to back and also cheaper than 19's, would be what I would look into. Get some elcheapo 18's, I would try to get a set of 4 then find a set of 2, off craigslist then go to a used tire shop and and get the cheapest tires that give you a square setup. Take 2 spares, one in the trunk and the other on the passenger seat with a towel. Burn through the first set, swap out with the spares, burn through those but keep in mind that you need to get home on them, then swap front to rear. 3 sets for playing and practicing. I think the car suspension and power wise is more than enough. My concerns would lie in what was already mentioned regarding the steering angle not being able to go far enough and also the factory LSD. Outside of that this car is pretty much ready to go for a novice. I would even think about getting the beefiest rear sway bar to help even more in inducing over steer. Can the front sway be disconnected on this chassis without causing issues to it? Last edited by Japanjay; 08-11-2012 at 05:23 PM.

08-11-2012, 06:06 PM	#19 (permalink)
VDC_OFF A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Houston (Pearland) Age: 44 Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 370Z M6 Rep Power: 17	I have personally tried to pull an ebrake on an auto 350 and wasn't very successful because the engine is still connect to the tranny and your brake fights against the engine. So the car just acted really confused and i Looked like an idiot. You need a clutch to separate the two and then you can completely stop the rear wheels from spinning so not sure how they were doing it. I bought a set of stock 18's and the stock tires which are 245 and 265 worked great. New rears will last a full day for an beginner\intermediate driver with about 20-30 short runs. Once you get good you will need to bring extra spares. I would disagree with used tires as they don't last as long and you will waist time swapping them out. Plus new tires drive so much better, when they get worn down you start spinning out a lot. __________________ DRIFTING JOURNAL \| Follow me on Instagram \| Facebook \| Houston Halos

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