Is the new Toybaru going to be competitive in CS?

cossie1600 · 07-22-2012, 10:05 PM

I haven't seen a fully prepped one at the autox in CS. Has anyone seen a competitive driver on slicks and see how they fare?

Shamu · 07-24-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I haven't seen a fully prepped one at the autox in CS. Has anyone seen a competitive driver on slicks and see how they fare?

Yep they are

nismosis · 07-24-2012, 09:52 PM

Doubtful. One showed up at my division last weekend. Was a two driver car.....best time was 4 seconds behind the M Coupe that took first (I was not there to witness or compete). Hoping he shows up this weekend too so we can settle the dispute.

Tubro · 07-24-2012, 10:21 PM

Good enough to take the overall RTR (11 entrants) win at the Packwood National Tour event.

The Sports Car Club of America - Solo

AutoX Z · 07-25-2012, 07:15 PM

Its tough to say right now. I think its too heavy compared to the miatas and is also hampered by really short gearing and an unkind rev limiter. With the MSR and ZOK out next year and people putting more development time into some of the other cars in the class who knows.

cossie1600 · 07-25-2012, 07:16 PM

What's the biggest rubber you can fit on it, 245 all around or even 265? Power seems to be on par with the rx-8 with a little less top end from what I can see.

gomer_110 · 07-28-2012, 09:33 PM

fwiw

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2012 Toledo ProSolo
Jult 27-29, 2012

**** UNOFFICIAL RESULTS (INFORMATIONAL ONLY) ****

Class standings for CS [5 Cars] (7/28/2012 3:07:54 PM)

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T 1 96 Chris Fenter 2007 Mazda MX-5 Red Hoosier RT/60ft
30.124 29.921 29.583 31.467(1) 58.505
29.902 29.805 29.316 28.922
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T 2 92 Jerry Enger 2009 Nissan 370Z* Black Hoosier RT/60ft
32.704(1) 32.399(1) RL 30.216 60.527
31.124 30.786 30.311 31.944(1) (2.022)
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3 192 Mark Labbancz 2009 Nissan 370Z* Black Hoosier RT/60ft
31.138 30.690 30.177 30.399 60.705
30.734 30.731 30.905 30.528 (0.178)
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4 30 Nick Kelly 2013 Subaru BRZ* White Kumho* RT/60ft
33.004 33.908(1) 32.027 31.408 62.275
34.149(1) 31.719 31.857 30.867 (1.570)
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5 130 Logan Flaherty 2013 Subaru BRZ* White Kumho* RT/60ft
33.058 34.070(1) 32.396 31.757 62.953
31.722 31.223 31.196 43.911(1) (0.678)

cossie1600 · 07-28-2012, 11:31 PM

ouch

Shamu · 07-29-2012, 06:57 PM

Just watched very well driven Scion toyubi. Dynamically they are awesome. Probably one of best handling cars out there but power wise they suck. Think only course where they might do well is slower twisty turny where they stay in second gear. But man they are slow in the straights!

gomer_110 · 07-29-2012, 07:08 PM

Managed to get out to the Toledo ProSolo this morning and catch some of the BRZ's runs. It definitely seemed competitive once it got up to speed but its launches were just awful.

cossie1600 · 07-29-2012, 09:04 PM

The acceleration is depressing, but then the RX-8 was the same way and no one seem to be able to beat it.

AutoX Z · 07-30-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

The acceleration is depressing, but then the RX-8 was the same way and no one seem to be able to beat it.

You keep saying that but the RX-8 has 50 more bhp. The RX-8's are fast but have not done well nationally with a few exceptions since the merger.

It will be an interesting class with the MSR and ZOK gone especially if the current class leaders switch to a different car and stay with the class.

I'm a little surprised the BRZ/FRS can only fit a 245. With the rest of the class on 265's, 285's, or 295's, being able to squeeze the 275 seems critical.

cossie1600 · 07-30-2012, 09:46 PM

Yes but most of the power is at the very top of the revs. I believe the BRZ redlines 2nd gear at about 58-60mph while the RX-8 is 62-64. It's been a while since I had my RX-8, don't recall all the specifics with it.

You are right the RX-8 hasn't done well at the nationals, but neither has the 370 with the exception of you and one or two others. Of course it is from a much smaller sample size, so who knows. As a former owner of two RX-8s (I traded my 06 in for the 370), I have no idea how the RX-8 is even in the same ballpark. I guess it depends on tight the course is.

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Originally Posted by AutoX Z

You keep saying that but the RX-8 has 50 more bhp. The RX-8's are fast but have not done well nationally with a few exceptions since the merger.

It will be an interesting class with the MSR and ZOK gone especially if the current class leaders switch to a different car and stay with the class.

I'm a little surprised the BRZ/FRS can only fit a 245. With the rest of the class on 265's, 285's, or 295's, being able to squeeze the 275 seems critical.

dwx · 07-31-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AutoX Z

You keep saying that but the RX-8 has 50 more bhp. The RX-8's are fast but have not done well nationally with a few exceptions since the merger.

It will be an interesting class with the MSR and ZOK gone especially if the current class leaders switch to a different car and stay with the class.

I'm a little surprised the BRZ/FRS can only fit a 245. With the rest of the class on 265's, 285's, or 295's, being able to squeeze the 275 seems critical.

275 might be doable, I'm at least glad Hoosier came out with the 275/35/17. I'm using a +42 rim which is as far as I can go and stay stock legal. I just had the 245s mounted and there is more clearance than I thought there would be with the front camber maxed out but the 275/35 is quite a bit wider. It will just be part of the development of the car to find out what works best. It is at least a couple hundred lbs lighter than its competitors not counting the Miata. I believe Chris runs 225s on his car and it's about 300 lbs lighter than the BRZ.

Since the 275/35 is brand new I doubt anyone has used ones they are willing to give up for test fitting.

BFG sells a 255/40/17 R1-S which I'm sure would fit but I think the jury is still out if it is a true competitor to the A6.

dwx · 07-31-2012, 08:53 AM

I read on another forum Jadrice Toussaint (last years BS national champ) drove someone's BRZ at an event and ended up getting an FR-S the next week. He autocrossed it a couple weeks ago on Hoosiers in an event along with his BS S2000. I guess the car he had was an automatic and he was about 2.5s slower than his BS S2000, but now he has a manual FR-S.

He ran a staggered setup with 245/40/17 on the front and 275/40/17 in the rear. I don't think a staggered setup is going to really be ideal for he car imho, but he was just testing things out. 275/40 gives the car a bit more gearing in 2nd but it's quite a bit taller and I don't know if I'd want to give away that much in a car with such low torque.

07-22-2012, 10:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	Is the new Toybaru going to be competitive in CS? I haven't seen a fully prepped one at the autox in CS. Has anyone seen a competitive driver on slicks and see how they fare?

07-25-2012, 07:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
AutoX Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 314 Drives: 370Z Base, Sport Rep Power: 16	Its tough to say right now. I think its too heavy compared to the miatas and is also hampered by really short gearing and an unkind rev limiter. With the MSR and ZOK out next year and people putting more development time into some of the other cars in the class who knows. __________________ 2013 SCCA Solo National Champion VVV For Sale VVV

07-29-2012, 06:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
Shamu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,059 Drives: 370Z Racecar Rep Power: 20	Just watched very well driven Scion toyubi. Dynamically they are awesome. Probably one of best handling cars out there but power wise they suck. Think only course where they might do well is slower twisty turny where they stay in second gear. But man they are slow in the straights! __________________ Grant

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gomer_110 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perrysburg, OH Posts: 17,992 Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM Rep Power: 36941	Managed to get out to the Toledo ProSolo this morning and catch some of the BRZ's runs. It definitely seemed competitive once it got up to speed but its launches were just awful. __________________ '11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Uprev \| CSF \| Zspeed \| Z1 Motorsports \| AST \| Swift \| SPC \| SPL \| Whiteline \| Hotchkis \| Bride \| Schroth \| Robispec \| Cusco \| Nismo \| Volk \| Forgestar \| Hoosier \| RJM '17 Titan Bone Stock

07-24-2012, 09:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
nismosis Base Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 139 Drives: 11 370Z Sport PW 6MT Rep Power: 13	Doubtful. One showed up at my division last weekend. Was a two driver car.....best time was 4 seconds behind the M Coupe that took first (I was not there to witness or compete). Hoping he shows up this weekend too so we can settle the dispute.

07-24-2012, 10:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tubro Base Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 67 Drives: 2012 Z34 base+sport Rep Power: 14	Good enough to take the overall RTR (11 entrants) win at the Packwood National Tour event. The Sports Car Club of America - Solo

07-25-2012, 07:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	What's the biggest rubber you can fit on it, 245 all around or even 265? Power seems to be on par with the rx-8 with a little less top end from what I can see.

07-28-2012, 11:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	ouch

07-29-2012, 09:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	The acceleration is depressing, but then the RX-8 was the same way and no one seem to be able to beat it.

07-31-2012, 08:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
dwx Base Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3 Drives: Subaru Rep Power: 13	I read on another forum Jadrice Toussaint (last years BS national champ) drove someone's BRZ at an event and ended up getting an FR-S the next week. He autocrossed it a couple weeks ago on Hoosiers in an event along with his BS S2000. I guess the car he had was an automatic and he was about 2.5s slower than his BS S2000, but now he has a manual FR-S. He ran a staggered setup with 245/40/17 on the front and 275/40/17 in the rear. I don't think a staggered setup is going to really be ideal for he car imho, but he was just testing things out. 275/40 gives the car a bit more gearing in 2nd but it's quite a bit taller and I don't know if I'd want to give away that much in a car with such low torque.