Fuel Starvation Control Product

wstar · 08-22-2012, 02:08 PM

Looks like a homebrew solution to keep a small amount of fuel near the pickup when the tank tries to starve it.

martin82 · 08-22-2012, 02:12 PM

a bucket of paint ftw! lol

phunk · 08-22-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

No apologies or understanding coming from me. I'm downright tired of vendors who suggest, post, and fantasize about products we owners would like to have but then can't make them materialize. Do I think making fuel products is easy? No, that's not my trade. But you making this product doesn't make you on par with a Wright brother (the point of my previous post). After 2.5yrs of these types of 'updates', I'd say any forum member is entitled to an opinion by now.

Sorry for not meeting your expectations. Maybe the Wright brothers worked at a better pace... but my product is going to last a lot further than 120 feet.

phunk · 08-22-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Looks like a homebrew solution to keep a small amount of fuel near the pickup when the tank tries to starve it.

close. i wouldnt touch that setup with a 10 foot pole but i can tell what they are doing. that photo is on the drivers side of the tank, opposite from where the main fuel pump resides. They have a canister secured poorly with stainless wire, using a couple check valves that will (in theory) allow fuel in the canister but not out, and a fuel pump pickup for an additional pump that is transfering fuel to the passenger side (main fuel pump).

this solution will not last, as their transfer pump is going to be running very dry most the time, especially if used for any street driving where once below a half tank, the driver side is completely empty (thanks to the factory transfer siphon) unless you slosh it over on a right hander. sure you could put this pump on a toggle switch and only use it when on the track... but this is not the type of solution that any professional business would market as a product, its an unreliable bandaid.

"solutions" like this are exactly why i needed to make something.

phunk · 08-22-2012, 03:24 PM

Install kit and technique was finished today. Changed the size of one of the fittings, ordering more right now. Should be here by Friday. Going to ship 2 of the units out Friday as long as the fittings show. I might wait for those 2 guys to finish install and give me feedback before shipping the rest.

cdoxp800 · 08-22-2012, 03:45 PM

Best Post of the year.. LOL Way to go phunk. love the 120 foot. LOL

phunk · 08-22-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cdoxp800

Best Post of the year.. LOL Way to go phunk. love the 120 foot. LOL

Mike · 08-22-2012, 05:24 PM

awesome news!

phunk · 08-22-2012, 07:09 PM

machine time, material costs, parts costs, installation components costs, etc.. were all worked out today.

we have all the pricing setup now. i will make it public thursday or friday. i just want another day or two to look at it a few more times and decide if its final.

ordered up enough of the installation materials for the first few kits... supposedly they being 2nd day shipped today. so its looking pretty positive that the first 2 are going to be able to ship out Friday. these 2 guys are thinking they should be able to get to the installation right away. so I am hoping that while I am working on packing up the rest of the kits and getting them ready to ship, perhaps I can get some installation and testing feedback from them before shipping the rest just to make sure everything looks OK.

phunk · 08-22-2012, 07:15 PM

to come up with the installation parts, i had to go ahead and do a mock up installation on a spare 370z fuel tank we have here. the work on the drivers side of the tank turned out not to be as bad as I thought it was going to be... probably no big deal. the passenger side is a little more of a pain IMHO. whats left to be seen is how much more difficult it is to do inside the vehicle, since its obviously more convenient to do to a tank sitting on a table.

phunk · 08-22-2012, 07:22 PM

a little photo i took when beginning the mockup install. as you can see i cut open the top/middle of the fuel tank so that we could see whats going on and also provide better photos for installation directions. even though you will not get as good of a perspective in your tank, this makes it easier for us to show you what you are working with inside there when i take more photos.

notice the corner of the baffle pointing at the level sensor... it has to be bent out of the way a little or the level sensor arm will contact it and then the fuel gauge would be unable to read full. i wanted to avoid having to do that, but mounting the level sensor on the outside diameter of the canister compared to how it hangs stock, left us very little room to play for giving the sensor full swing.

this unit is my personal one... the retail ones are anodized blue and not beat up.

martin82 · 08-22-2012, 10:58 PM

Once a few other people test it and it works well i need one too!!!!

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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=34.046195,-118.464554

phunk · 08-23-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Yep it's on a toggle and only goes on during run sessions. It is a mid term fix but it's very very effective. Doesn't take crazy smarts or design ability and it's a fricking paint can! Lol! I love simple effective solutions. While it may not look like much it hasn't failed once in competition.

I rarely experience fuel starve on the street. It's perfect solution for occasional track day.

I'm headed over to 034 to have them look at car for my permanent solution unless you expect to finish your system soon? I have a motto. " i get things done."

Mines already done. But I would like to see what 034 comes up with anyway.

phunk · 08-23-2012, 06:40 PM

#1 complete.

wstar · 08-23-2012, 07:07 PM

It was supposed to be Pink! Back to the drawing board!

08-22-2012, 02:08 PM	#181 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	Looks like a homebrew solution to keep a small amount of fuel near the pickup when the tank tries to starve it. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

08-22-2012, 03:24 PM	#185 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	Install kit and technique was finished today. Changed the size of one of the fittings, ordering more right now. Should be here by Friday. Going to ship 2 of the units out Friday as long as the fittings show. I might wait for those 2 guys to finish install and give me feedback before shipping the rest. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

08-22-2012, 05:24 PM	#188 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	awesome news! __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

08-22-2012, 07:09 PM	#189 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	machine time, material costs, parts costs, installation components costs, etc.. were all worked out today. we have all the pricing setup now. i will make it public thursday or friday. i just want another day or two to look at it a few more times and decide if its final. ordered up enough of the installation materials for the first few kits... supposedly they being 2nd day shipped today. so its looking pretty positive that the first 2 are going to be able to ship out Friday. these 2 guys are thinking they should be able to get to the installation right away. so I am hoping that while I am working on packing up the rest of the kits and getting them ready to ship, perhaps I can get some installation and testing feedback from them before shipping the rest just to make sure everything looks OK. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

08-22-2012, 07:15 PM	#190 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	to come up with the installation parts, i had to go ahead and do a mock up installation on a spare 370z fuel tank we have here. the work on the drivers side of the tank turned out not to be as bad as I thought it was going to be... probably no big deal. the passenger side is a little more of a pain IMHO. whats left to be seen is how much more difficult it is to do inside the vehicle, since its obviously more convenient to do to a tank sitting on a table. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

08-22-2012, 02:12 PM	#182 (permalink)
martin82 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 2,636 Drives: 12 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 20	a bucket of paint ftw! lol

08-22-2012, 10:58 PM	#192 (permalink)
martin82 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 2,636 Drives: 12 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 20	Once a few other people test it and it works well i need one too!!!! --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=34.046195,-118.464554

08-23-2012, 07:07 PM	#195 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	It was supposed to be Pink! Back to the drawing board! __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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