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Originally Posted by phunk As for a fuel cell... I can probably talk you out of that. The shop I've been talking to makes a good point on fuel cells:

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Old 05-15-2012, 12:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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As for a fuel cell... I can probably talk you out of that.
The shop I've been talking to makes a good point on fuel cells: "You [rarely] see a fuel fire from stock fuel system."
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$350 to cut my tank in half.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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$350 to cut my tank in half.
this is suitable for a stripped lightweight track car... but of course unacceptable for a street driven vehicle, especially one that may be resold one day. If I were to convert my 370z to nothing but a dedicated track car, i might consider doing this. However, I feel that if you are willing to fabricate on the fuel tank, why not just simply open it up and solve the problem then seal it back together, retaining full capacity? A half-tank is kind of a thought-free solution if you just want the problem solved I suppose.
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this is suitable for a stripped lightweight track car... but of course unacceptable for a street driven vehicle, especially one that may be resold one day. If I were to convert my 370z to nothing but a dedicated track car, i might consider doing this. However, I feel that if you are willing to fabricate on the fuel tank, why not just simply open it up and solve the problem then seal it back together, retaining full capacity? A half-tank is kind of a thought-free solution if you just want the problem solved I suppose.
Thought free? Nice weight drop, puts weight on passenger side where I wanted it. 9 gallons more than enough for typical track session, clean look. Retains all stock fuel filler equipment and position. Allows me to put diff cooler in back with no net weight gain. For enthusiast it's pretty straight forward and why just for dedicated track car? I drive my car on the street. Yes you have to make determination about resale of car however if you have put a cage in your car etc its an option. It's not quite the same commitment as fuel cell.

If I had a dedicated race car I'd go for a fuel cell for sure. Stock tank isn't worth keeping regardless of what has been dropped into it to pump fuel. That's smart? Lol!

It's cool that we have variety of solutions. It's all good! Mines cheaper and simple minded though.
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Thought free? Nice weight drop, puts weight on passenger side where I wanted it. 9 gallons more than enough for typical track session, clean look. Retains all stock fuel filler equipment and position. Allows me to put diff cooler in back with no net weight gain. For enthusiast it's pretty straight forward and why just for dedicated track car? I drive my car on the street. Yes you have to make determination about resale of car however if you have put a cage in your car etc its an option. It's not quite the same commitment as fuel cell.

If I had a dedicated race car I'd go for a fuel cell for sure. Stock tank isn't worth keeping regardless of what has been dropped into it to pump fuel. That's smart? Lol!

It's cool that we have variety of solutions. It's all good! Mines cheaper and simple minded though.

I like it, pretty clever if you ask me
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Thought free? Nice weight drop, puts weight on passenger side where I wanted it. 9 gallons more than enough for typical track session, clean look. Retains all stock fuel filler equipment and position. Allows me to put diff cooler in back with no net weight gain. For enthusiast it's pretty straight forward and why just for dedicated track car? I drive my car on the street. Yes you have to make determination about resale of car however if you have put a cage in your car etc its an option. It's not quite the same commitment as fuel cell.

If I had a dedicated race car I'd go for a fuel cell for sure. Stock tank isn't worth keeping regardless of what has been dropped into it to pump fuel. That's smart? Lol!

It's cool that we have variety of solutions. It's all good! Mines cheaper and simple minded though.
Yes that my overall take on it. I dont consider the method to be solving a problem so much as just throwing the problem out the window

The only value I see in it is the space gained to install other components. The point of fixing fuel starvation was because the community was complaining about having to stop and fill up the fuel tank all the time. Cutting overall capacity to less than half, and still not adding any fluid placement control to the remaining portion which means fuel starvation is still going to occur with probably 1.5-2 gallons left, doesnt sound like the solution... more of a serious compromise.

Let us know how well the fuel gauge works, with the missing sensor.

If you had a dedicated race car, what would your justification for installing a fuel cell be? Is it a rule/requirement in your sort of racing?
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Yes that my overall take on it. I dont consider the method to be solving a problem so much as just throwing the problem out the window

The only value I see in it is the space gained to install other components. The point of fixing fuel starvation was because the community was complaining about having to stop and fill up the fuel tank all the time. Cutting overall capacity to less than half, and still not adding any fluid placement control to the remaining portion which means fuel starvation is still going to occur with probably 1.5-2 gallons left, doesnt sound like the solution... more of a serious compromise.

Let us know how well the fuel gauge works, with the missing sensor.

If you had a dedicated race car, what would your justification for installing a fuel cell be? Is it a rule/requirement in your sort of racing?
I'd expect someone marketing fuel starve product to have this take. Don't blame you at all. Just think my solution has more value than you think. ...and you can't beat the price! What is someone into with your solution once they pay for labor and all parts? $1500? I have $1200 to spend on other stuff I need like a diff cooler and few other track focused items.

I think it's a great solution for people who want to keep car very stock and not really molest the car though! Awesome work! Curious does it add much weight? My car lost over 15 lbs.
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I'd expect someone marketing fuel starve product to have this take. Don't blame you at all. Just think my solution has more value than you think. ...and you can't beat the price! What is someone into with your solution once they pay for labor and all parts? $1500? I have $1200 to spend on other stuff I need like a diff cooler and few other track focused items.

I think it's a great solution for people who want to keep car very stock and not really molest the car though! Awesome work! Curious does it add much weight? My car lost over 15 lbs.
If it was marketing I was worried about, I would have had your several posts in my paid sponsored thread removed. I believe everyone should be exposed to all their options. My product turned out to be more expensive than I was hoping, and I have no problem with anyone seeking alternate options.

The thing is, it is my thread, and I am entitled to criticize things posted here that I don't entirely endorse. I will not deny that what you have done is functional... But while you point out the many benefits to what you have done, I simply point out what shortcomings I see.

My product so far has only been installed by the customer, so their final price is the same as the retail price. I am skeptical that anyone is going to do what you have done for $350... Most shops are going to charge at least that just to remove and reinstall the tank, and fab work on top of that.

Aside from that... If anyone removed their tank and sent it to me, I would gladly replicate what you have done.

What is going to be your solution for the fuel level circuit having the missing sensor?
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Is the whole unit steel? I have a fab guy that would do it for almost nothing.
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Yes sir. But do you know what you have to go through in dropping the tank?
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Yes sir. But do you know what you have to go through in dropping the tank?
lol, it's not that bad is it?

I mean, unplug everything, drop the drive shaft, unbolt it ??

As long as it's empty, not so big a deal is it?
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lol, it's not that bad is it?

I mean, unplug everything, drop the drive shaft, unbolt it ??

As long as it's empty, not so big a deal is it?
You have to drop the rear subframe also.
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