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SPOHN 01-19-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 2119569)
I was referring to Nissan warranty. If this system causes potential issue will nissan still warranty motor and systems? That pretty important for resale value.

You think having half a tank is going to have a warrenty too? Lol.

phunk 01-19-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 2119569)
I was referring to Nissan warranty. If this system causes potential issue will nissan still warranty motor and systems? That pretty important for resale value.

Any time you modify or track your car, you have technical voided some part of your warranty. Some dealers will try and act like you have voided the entire warranty on the car, some understand how their vehicles work and only will not warranty the actual parts you replaced and anything they can have effects on.

This is simply a fuel pump upgrade. If you think that your dealer would try and reject your vehicle because you upgraded your fuel pump, I would highly suggest you dont brag to them about it, and all will be well.

The dealer will never know it is installed. But if you have reason to believe they are going to poke around inside the fuel tank, you could simply remove the kit and return to stock while the car is with Nissan. You should be able to remove the kit easily, with the exception of probably having to cut the 3 short blue hoses in the bag that you can see in wstar's picture.... those would probably be nearly impossible to pull off without cutting. In that event, I would send over replacements no problem, or you could buy it anywhere... its Aeroquip AQP -6 Hose.

phunk 01-19-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2118351)
Fedex just dropped mine off today, thanks Charles :)

http://www.the370z.com/members/wstar...starve-kit.jpg

Unfortunately given I'm swamped with move-in stuff on a new house, and my next event is a week away, I'll have to wait until after that event to install and test. Feels good just having it here ready to go though :)

:happydance: glad it has arrived safe and sound

Reaper42 01-19-2013 01:50 PM

Can I get one of these? Please :)

phunk 01-19-2013 03:06 PM

For sure... I have some more of the Walbro pumps coming in next week and then I can assemble another unit no problem

Mr&Mrs 01-21-2013 05:37 AM

Can you pm me a price for this set up please? Thanks!

phunk 01-22-2013 07:27 AM

PM Sent

GaleForce 01-22-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs (Post 2122031)
Can you pm me a price for this set up please? Thanks!

You're not going to have time to install it, so give phunk my shipping address when you order it. ;)

Nism0370 02-16-2013 05:19 PM

oem fuel pump power wire color?
 
Anybody know what color the oem fuel pump +wire color to splice into? I know its one of the 2 larger gauge wires but which one? Thought I be able to save some time instead of using a voltmeter while starting the ignition if anybody knows.Thanks!

Mike 02-16-2013 05:53 PM

I wish I could remember. Something in my head is saying pink, but I really don't know if thats the case or not. Looked back through some text messages with phunk, I triggered mine off the pink wire.

SurfDog 02-18-2013 08:49 PM

My Street Z has never so much as stuttered... And I don't want her to start. I'm looking very closely at this mod. Please pm me a price and I'll start thinking about tearing around my oh so mysterious fuel system.

Also, I'm considering going FI (supercharger) (about 500 whp). I know its been talked about extensively here, but will your base mod meet my need?

Sh0velMan 02-19-2013 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 2172439)
My Street Z has never so much as stuttered... And I don't want her to start. I'm looking very closely at this mod. Please pm me a price and I'll start thinking about tearing around my oh so mysterious fuel system.

Also, I'm considering going FI (supercharger) (about 500 whp). I know its been talked about extensively here, but will your base mod meet my need?

If you don't track, there is absolutely no reason to get this.

phunk 02-19-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 2172439)
My Street Z has never so much as stuttered... And I don't want her to start. I'm looking very closely at this mod. Please pm me a price and I'll start thinking about tearing around my oh so mysterious fuel system.

Also, I'm considering going FI (supercharger) (about 500 whp). I know its been talked about extensively here, but will your base mod meet my need?

They are $1060.00 for the kit. They are only available from me and there is no competition, so I dont have to play the PM game with secret prices. :)

500whp is going to be near the end of the line with the typical configuration its sold in. On which side of that line I do not know for sure at this time. It should be within its capacity, but it will depend on a dozen other factors. If it falls short, it can always be upgraded with a second pump.

phunk 02-19-2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2173117)
If you don't track, there is absolutely no reason to get this.

I agree and I dont agree. On the street, there is nothing lost in coming out of a turn half a second later and a few mph slower. However, the problem is every bit as nasty on the street if you drive the car hard. I have yet to put my 370z on a track, and it was bothering me so much that I had to make this kit! Although, due to timing of it being completed, its still not even in my car!!! :inoutroflpuke: I still have the rest of winter to decide if I am keeping it or if I need a GT-R. GT-R is a bit heavy on price for me, would have to cramp my style in other places.

sig11 02-19-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 2174093)
PM game with secret prices. :)

I always hate doing that. I try to support those who will actually post prices. :)

phunk 02-19-2013 04:08 PM

Half of the original batch made is still here in stock. Most of people on the pre-order list did not complete the transaction when the product was finally available. However, this was expected as the product price landed probably 25-35% higher than I think people were expecting. Unfortunately it is expensive to do tons of CAD work and run CNC machines for products of such low volume. 6 of them have been sold, 6 remain here.

After the last 6, I will determine if any more will be made. There will most likely be a second batch produced since all the ground work is complete.

phunk 02-19-2013 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sig11 (Post 2174129)
I always hate doing that. I try to support those who will actually post prices. :)

I have never seen it so common as it is on this forum. Most forums I am on, the price is no secret. I am not sure exactly what has driven it to that on this forum. Perhaps too many sponsors selling the same thing??

SurfDog 02-19-2013 04:58 PM

I do a lot of big sweeping rights while at 4 dots getting home from work. I have been known to do it in a spirited way, and I have heard of enough guys getting stuck looking for a gallon of gas to get off the highway shoulder!!!
Please Pm with PayPal info and I would love to get one of your overstock pieces! Also I don't track, but definitely will be soon. So, thanks for the input but I'm loving this mod.

Thanks

wstar 02-19-2013 06:43 PM

phunk: don't lose hope on selling more of them. From what I've been seeing at HPDE's around here the past year or two, I really think the era of 370's at DEs is only just beginning. Earlier on the cars were all too new. Now there's more of them on the used market, and more owners comfortable taking a little more risk, more of them are second-hand, etc. A year and a half ago it was normal for my car to be the only 370Z I saw at an event, and now it's not uncommon to see 3-4 others the same weekend, although we're still outnumbered by the 350s.

Your part is a pretty elegant solution to a pretty serious design problem that every track 370Z driver will face over time, so you're pretty much guaranteed to sell these things I think.

martin82 02-19-2013 07:24 PM

phunk, I'd love to do this for price is prohibiting it at the moment. For me its either JRZ RS coilovers.... or fuel fix... so I end up keep filling up every session. On Sunday, I had fuel starve after 3 laps!!!!

travisjb 02-19-2013 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2174404)
Your part is a pretty elegant solution to a pretty serious design problem that every track 370Z driver will face over time, so you're pretty much guaranteed to sell these things I think.

I agree! Glad you were patient with the prog and did it right... hopefully you can sell a couple dozen a year once more cars are out there running DEs

BTW, I sent you an email tonight asking for quote ;)

SPOHN 02-19-2013 07:33 PM

JRZ's overrated.:stirthepot:

Sh0velMan 02-20-2013 08:22 AM

Oh I will definitely be buying this solution, it's just on a very long list of things that need to be bought...

Rusty 02-20-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2173117)
If you don't track, there is absolutely no reason to get this.

I've had fuel starvation on the street. :icon14:

SPOHN 02-20-2013 11:55 AM

Still love mine. Friday got down to two dots and no starvation.

Reaper42 02-20-2013 12:08 PM

I also wish this wasnt so expensive. That and the fact that it looks like a very difficult and stressful install. :(

Sh0velMan 02-20-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 2175554)
I've had fuel starvation on the street. :icon14:

I have too, driving way too fast for a public road and with less than a quarter tank.

Doesn't mean I would recommend it to someone who never tracks... for the money you can do a lot of other things. That's all.

SPOHN 02-20-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper42 (Post 2175708)
I also wish this wasnt so expensive. That and the fact that it looks like a very difficult and stressful install. :(

Considering the time and R&D it's about right. If all the people that originally said they would get one would of, it would of helped some. I was looking for about $700-800 my self. But when you think what you get out of this in the long run. Well worth it. Most people only want to spend money on mods others can physically see. They even over look a good LSD. Installing requires patience. But now that I have this. I would of paid more.

Definitely mod of this generation Z.

SurfDog 02-20-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2175778)
I have too, driving way too fast for a public road and with less than a quarter tank.

Doesn't mean I would recommend it to someone who never tracks... for the money you can do a lot of other things. That's all.

Easy tiger. I don't drive like a jerk at all, but I do live in an area with lots and lots of twisties, along with long sweeping 270 degree downhill on and off-ramps which are perfect places to ride out on the edge of the traction circle a bit. To the right... on my way home from work... every day... sometimes a little low on gas... merging onto highway 70... full of semis and SUV,s and minivans... not wanting to lose power when it counts... See where I'm going with this?

Could I spend 1000 bucks on body kits and fancy headlights, sure, but I'm more of a mechanically minded modder. LSDs HFCs, Flywheels and Clutch. That kind of stuff. This mod is AWESOME. Fixes a thing that would bug the Cr*p out of me if it happened at the wrong time.

Thanks for the input, but please don't assume I'm an unsafe driver, or don't know what I buying, if I decide to pop one in. I just like making my ride a bada$$, safe, reliable, mechanical masterpiece.

Peace.

Sh0velMan 02-20-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 2176006)
Easy tiger. I don't drive like a jerk at all, but I do live in an area with lots and lots of twisties, along with long sweeping 270 degree downhill on and off-ramps which are perfect places to ride out on the edge of the traction circle a bit. To the right... on my way home from work... every day... sometimes a little low on gas... merging onto highway 70... full of semis and SUV,s and minivans... not wanting to lose power when it counts... See where I'm going with this?

Could I spend 1000 bucks on body kits and fancy headlights, sure, but I'm more of a mechanically minded modder. LSDs HFCs, Flywheels and Clutch. That kind of stuff. This mod is AWESOME. Fixes a thing that would bug the Cr*p out of me if it happened at the wrong time.

Thanks for the input, but please don't assume I'm an unsafe driver, or don't know what I buying, if I decide to pop one in. I just like making my ride a bada$$, safe, reliable, mechanical masterpiece.

Peace.


Wow. Uh, where to begin.

I wasn't making a statement about anyone's driving style, I was just saying the only time it's happened to me on the street was when I was hooning...

As for the other comments, preaching to the choir, but you'd know that if you'd looked at my build thread linked in my sig. Appearance mods are definitely not what I was even referring to in my original comment.

;)

SurfDog 02-20-2013 02:32 PM

Ok, It Just sounded a bit like you were flaming me for liking this one. I did check out your build. It looks pretty cool.

travisjb 02-20-2013 08:10 PM

mine's on the way... 5 left

SPOHN 02-20-2013 08:40 PM

Woot

phunk 02-21-2013 04:46 PM

One customer who was installing this product a few days ago was text messaging me. I accidentally deleted the text conversation and had not saved the number. Can whoever that was please text me again or call me. There is a step missing from the instructions that another customer just made me aware of and I wanted to make sure to get that information to you.

phunk 02-21-2013 05:08 PM

Ah I suppose I should mention what was missing from the instructions since those who have already installed it must be wondering now if something isnt setup right with them.

There are 2 updates I will be putting into the PDF.

Major Update: Before putting the final lid on the assembly, I never actually said to put the surge can fuel pump output hose on the fitting and clamp it. If your car is running, you intuitively connected this. If your car isn't running, you follow instructions better than the other guys :)

Minor Update: Apply teflon thread sealant to the 3 studs before final install of the 3 nuts with sealing washers. Those 3 studs used to be bolts, and therefore needed no sealant. But it was found easier to install by switching to studs and nuts, so the threads themselves need to be sealed since those threads go all the way into the can. Without sealant, there could be very minor fuel seepage visible... I do not foresee a DRIP or anything, but more like some wetness on top of the unit without thread sealant.

Flojo 02-21-2013 07:23 PM

Just placed my order. 4 left.

:driving:

Phunk thanks for all the hard work in developing this for us. I look forward to this season not having to top off and completing a session with less the 3/4 tank.

:worship:

Nism0370 02-22-2013 08:32 AM

chassis ground points
 
Does anyone have a pic of exactly where the ground wire contacts the chassis? I dont get power to the pump and I want to rule out an incorrect chassis ground point. I drilled a hole in the metal panel where the seatbelt screws in...:confused:

DR_ 02-22-2013 08:46 AM

I finally ordered mine!!

SPOHN 02-22-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nism0370 (Post 2178936)
Does anyone have a pic of exactly where the ground wire contacts the chassis? I dont get power to the pump and I want to rule out an incorrect chassis ground point. I drilled a hole in the metal panel where the seatbelt screws in...:confused:

Did you scrap any of the paint down to bare metal around the hole you drilled?

Rusty 02-22-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nism0370 (Post 2178936)
Does anyone have a pic of exactly where the ground wire contacts the chassis? I dont get power to the pump and I want to rule out an incorrect chassis ground point. I drilled a hole in the metal panel where the seatbelt screws in...:confused:

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2179010)
Did you scrap any of the paint down to bare metal around the hole you drilled?

I drilled a hole in the same area. I also used a bolt with a self-locking nut to hold the ground wire in place.


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