Anyone ever experience Brake Failure as C&D did?

cossie1600 · 04-19-2012, 01:24 PM

Do any real track guys actually use the Super Blue? They are way overrated thanks to the internet, same with the non racing compound from Hawks.

Dwnshift · 04-19-2012, 02:29 PM

Nissan Motorsports Parts carries the Nismo carbon brake ducts.
Dwnshift

Rusty · 04-19-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwnshift

Nissan Motorsports Parts carries the Nismo carbon brake ducts.
Dwnshift

Link please.

red6spd · 04-19-2012, 07:29 PM

Another fact most people dont know is the Nismo C&D had the brake failure was a press car that had thousands of tortured miles on it before C&D had it.

Red__Zed · 04-19-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Another fact most people dont know is the Nismo C&D had the brake failure was a press car that had thousands of tortured miles on it before C&D had it.

link to anything verifying the fact that the abuse was out of the ordinary? Every car at lightning lap had been an abused press car...

Their post-mortem (as always, to be taken with a grain of salt) seems to fall in line with the widespread opinion that it is an airflow issue.

They were able to melt the pads on another Z, which doesn't lend much credence to the "it was abused" theory.

Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Car and Driver

red6spd · 04-19-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

link to anything verifying the fact that the abuse was out of the ordinary? Every car at lightning lap had been an abused press car...

Their post-mortem (as always, to be taken with a grain of salt) seems to fall in line with the widespread opinion that it is an airflow issue.

They were able to melt the pads on another Z, which doesn't lend much credence to the "it was abused" theory.

Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Car and Driver

LOL. Do you have a special alert that lets you know when I made a post? Thread is over the all knowing Red_Zed has commented.

Red__Zed · 04-19-2012, 08:13 PM

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LOL. Do you have a special alert that lets you know when I made a post? Thread is over the all knowing Red_Zed has commented.

Nope, just shows up in my UserCP as this is a thread I had previously commented in.

Do you have anything to back your statement, or are you just going to try and deflect?

red6spd · 04-19-2012, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Nope, just shows up in my UserCP as this is a thread I had previously commented in.

Do you have anything to back your statement, or are you just going to try and deflect?

Yea I will put it at the top of my list when I get home.

Red__Zed · 04-20-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Yea I will put it at the top of my list when I get home.

ok.

ChrisSlicks · 04-20-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Another fact most people dont know is the Nismo C&D had the brake failure was a press car that had thousands of tortured miles on it before C&D had it.

It doesn't really matter how many miles were on the car, even with brand new stock pads you will burn through them, and as a result boil the fluid. An inexperienced driver will not recognize the softening pedal and keep pushing it instead of backing off. When the fluid boils you will lose the brakes instantly. VIR has some high speed braking zones that will generate a lot of heat.

The brakes do generate a lot of heat and there is nowhere for the heat to go and little to no airflow. The stock pads accelerate wear dramatically when the temperatures exceed 500F, this is the primary failure - soft, low dust pads. The more the pads wear the more heat that gets conducted to the calipers as the pads act as insulators. When your calipers start to heat the fluid past it's threshold you're in trouble. And it doesn't really matter if you upgraded your rotors and calipers, if you used stock like pads and fluids the problem would still happen.

So the problem is not the brakes, it is just the pads. Use high temp, low bite pads (low bite so as to not upset the ABS) and upgrade the fluid and you won't have a problem. The Stillen brake ducts won't hurt things either if you are a regular at the track.

Dwnshift · 04-21-2012, 01:58 PM

Paul at NMP is sending the part numbers on Monday for the carbon front ducts.
Dwnshift

sixpax · 04-21-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwnshift

Paul at NMP is sending the part numbers on Monday for the carbon front ducts.
Dwnshift

...are those dedicated to brake cooling ? They almost look like standard ducts that most locate at the top of the fascia ... they look similar only they are flipped upside down orientation wise and mounted way lower.

Rusty · 04-21-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwnshift

Paul at NMP is sending the part numbers on Monday for the carbon front ducts.
Dwnshift

Thank you.

Dwnshift · 04-22-2012, 10:16 AM

41152-RTZ40 rh
41153-RTZ40 lh
Yes they are purpose made brake cooling ducts for use on the NISMO nose.

Rusty · 04-22-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwnshift

41152-RTZ40 rh
41153-RTZ40 lh
Yes they are purpose made brake cooling ducts for use on the NISMO nose.

I'm calling tomorrow for them. Thank you.

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Dwnshift Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cincy Posts: 717 Drives: NISMO 370Z RC Rep Power: 14	41152-RTZ40 rh 41153-RTZ40 lh Yes they are purpose made brake cooling ducts for use on the NISMO nose.