Is the Z faster then it's given credit for?

Pelican170 · 12-12-2011, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

i dont care about data. step on the gas in 2nd gear at 10mph and its dead for almost 2 seconds before you feel any pull. that's what i'm basing my opinion on. when you step on the gas and the car doesn't go fast it feels slow.

my 335 has less horsepower and more torque and has noticeably less top end than the 370z. i believe it has 300/295 vs the 370z 332/270. as far as usable power band, when it comes to normal driving, or even spirited driving, you are spending most of your time between 2k and 4500 rpm, and if there isn't any kick in a car until 4k then that doesn't feel very fast.

obviously every car as a way to eek out the power, but theres something very nice about being able to punch a car and have it go without having to downshift 2 gears. On the 370z if you are in 6th gear cruising on the highway you've got to shift into 3rd if you want some real kick. i always felt like i was hurting the 370z when i drove it hard because you have to rev the engine so high to get some nice power out of it.

Sounds like you need an automatic transmission...

ImportConvert · 12-12-2011, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

i dont care about data. step on the gas in 2nd gear at 10mph and its dead for almost 2 seconds before you feel any pull. that's what i'm basing my opinion on. when you step on the gas and the car doesn't go fast it feels slow.

my 335 has less horsepower and more torque and has noticeably less top end than the 370z. i believe it has 300/295 vs the 370z 332/270. as far as usable power band, when it comes to normal driving, or even spirited driving, you are spending most of your time between 2k and 4500 rpm, and if there isn't any kick in a car until 4k then that doesn't feel very fast.

obviously every car as a way to eek out the power, but theres something very nice about being able to punch a car and have it go without having to downshift 2 gears. On the 370z if you are in 6th gear cruising on the highway you've got to shift into 3rd if you want some real kick. i always felt like i was hurting the 370z when i drove it hard because you have to rev the engine so high to get some nice power out of it.

Stepping on it at 10mph in 2nd? This is quickly becoming about driver error. My ls1 felt dead doing that, too. Even my z06 feels a lot stronger in first at 10mph. Most cars do. Same for my z06 in 6th on the freeway needs a downshift if you want "kick".
I might change my opinion after I buy one, but it felt fine on my test drives and riding in one.

Pelican170 · 12-12-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Stepping on it at 10mph in 2nd? This is quickly becoming about driver error. My ls1 felt dead doing that, too. Even my z06 feels a lot stronger in first at 10mph. Most cars do. Same for my z06 in 6th on the freeway needs a downshift if you want "kick".
I might change my opinion after I buy one, but it felt fine on my test drives and riding in one.

m4a1mustang · 12-12-2011, 04:30 PM

5.0 has kick in any gear as long as it's in 5.0 mode.

Notsud 13 · 12-12-2011, 04:34 PM

under normal driving on the freeway, i wouldnt even downshift to pass up any cars. 6th gear does fine for me on the freeway.

Jeffblue · 12-12-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Sounds like you need an automatic transmission...

wow....i know how to drive. i mentioned stepping on the gas at 10-15mph in 2nd gear to show that if you are NOT in the very small powerband of the 370z the car feels dead. and speaking of actually driving... lets say you are in traffic just cruising along with the stop and go and there's an opening and you want to floor it... guess what gear you're going to be in if you were just chugging along real slow.. yes thats right 2nd gear. so you mash the gas and then wait and wait and wait and then it finally kicks after like 5 seconds. or does a professional like yourself downshift into first to get that extra kick?

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Stepping on it at 10mph in 2nd? This is quickly becoming about driver error. My ls1 felt dead doing that, too. Even my z06 feels a lot stronger in first at 10mph. Most cars do. Same for my z06 in 6th on the freeway needs a downshift if you want "kick".
I might change my opinion after I buy one, but it felt fine on my test drives and riding in one.

driver error? first of all its called experimenting with your car and seeing how the power feels in different gears. 2nd of all, if you are driving 15 miles an hour in 2nd gear and you want to gun it you aren't going to downshift into first. well maybe you do that, but that's driver error.

Jeffblue · 12-12-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Notsud 13

under normal driving on the freeway, i wouldnt even downshift to pass up any cars. 6th gear does fine for me on the freeway.

obviously you dont need to downshift to pass. but if you needed to suddenly gain speed quickly to, say, get out of the way of a runaway truck, stay in 6th gear and see how that goes.

watch this video from 1:35. that car has some serious low end. Clarkson puts it in 5th gear from a stop and look how quickly it gets up to speed. Its called having low end and a nice powerband.

ImportConvert · 12-12-2011, 04:43 PM

Cars with flat tq curves feel a lot slower than they are. Go race your 335 and compare. Second at 15mph in your z shouldn't be that bad. I found the car very livable at lower rpm. It gets nearly max torque at less than 2500rpm for crying out loud.

Jeffblue · 12-12-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Cars with flat tq curves feel a lot slower than they are. Go race your 335 and compare. Second at 15mph in your z shouldn't be that bad. I found the car very livable at lower rpm. It gets nearly max torque at less than 2500rpm for crying out loud.

yea its pretty easy to get max torque when your max torque is 220tq at the wheels. the 335 has a very flat torque curve as well. and it feels very quick down low. at 5500 RPM is where the 370z starts to produce more torque than the 335. it's not about bragging rights. go drive around town in a stock 335, not necessarily trying to thrash every ounce of hp out of it, then drive the 370z the same way and you'll find yourself needing to give the Z a lot more gas to get it to feel as quick for normal driving. this is a debate about low end. the 370z stock is definitely faster than the 335, but just low end for normal driving it definitely feels dead down low.

a lot of times what makes a car feel fast isn't about how quick it is at full throttle, but how torquey it feels in just normal driving. the 370z never felt surprisingly fast in any gear at partial throttle below 4k rpm

honestly it doesn't even matter what you compare it to. you can't honestly tell me that at 3k rpm in 3-6th gear the 370z really feels like its just ready to unleash the fury. i mean how can you say a car that makes 190whp/220tq at 4.5k rpm has a nice low end? the 370z is very fun to drive but only within its power band. if you are below it it feels slow. i dont understand why this is such a hard thing to comprehend?

b1adesofcha0s · 12-12-2011, 05:35 PM

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Jeffblue · 12-12-2011, 05:48 PM

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ImportConvert · 12-12-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

yea its pretty easy to get max torque when your max torque is 220tq at the wheels. the 335 has a very flat torque curve as well. and it feels very quick down low. at 5500 RPM is where the 370z starts to produce more torque than the 335. it's not about bragging rights. go drive around town in a stock 335, not necessarily trying to thrash every ounce of hp out of it, then drive the 370z the same way and you'll find yourself needing to give the Z a lot more gas to get it to feel as quick for normal driving. this is a debate about low end. the 370z stock is definitely faster than the 335, but just low end for normal driving it definitely feels dead down low.

a lot of times what makes a car feel fast isn't about how quick it is at full throttle, but how torquey it feels in just normal driving. the 370z never felt surprisingly fast in any gear at partial throttle below 4k rpm

honestly it doesn't even matter what you compare it to. you can't honestly tell me that at 3k rpm in 3-6th gear the 370z really feels like its just ready to unleash the fury. i mean how can you say a car that makes 190whp/220tq at 4.5k rpm has a nice low end? the 370z is very fun to drive but only within its power band. if you are below it it feels slow. i dont understand why this is such a hard thing to comprehend?

I know what you are saying, its just not making sense. My z06 is very docile at low rpm in high gears, too. Of course an fi car feels different from an na car. Noone races from 2nd gear at 10mph, though. You might as well complain that the car sucks because it doesn't have a third row seat and a trailer hitch. Drive it how it was intended and it will be fine. As a side note, my friend says the 2009 shelby cobra he drive felt faster around town than my z06. I don't worry about 09 shelbys much, though. Of course, I have not raced one in 2nd gear from 10mph, either, so its superior low end is lost on me. As far as I know, this thread is about racing and maximum performance type driving, not how hard/easy it is to lug the vq series engine.

m4a1mustang · 12-12-2011, 09:00 PM

So... I went WOT at 10MPH in 2nd gear on my way home today...

I would hope the Z06 would do it better than the 5.0..........

ImportConvert · 12-12-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

So... I went WOT at 10MPH in 2nd gear on my way home today...

I would hope the Z06 would do it better than the 5.0..........

Probably, but why? It will also tow more too, I bet : /

cossie1600 · 12-12-2011, 09:54 PM

My prius feels faster than my 370 below 30mph and my ls2 vette, big deal

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	So... I went WOT at 10MPH in 2nd gear on my way home today... I would hope the Z06 would do it better than the 5.0.......... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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