Yet another first time track day impression/suggestion

cossie1600 · 06-06-2011, 08:07 PM

You will overcool you oil so much that the car becomes barely unusable

Red__Zed · 06-06-2011, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike

I was hitting 265 today at Road Atlanta in 92 degree weather with a tru-cool 24 row core. Might be time to move up to bigger soon.

hm, interesting. I had been assuming I could get away with a 24 core since I was in VA, but since I'm moving south I guess I may need to get something bigger.

SPOHN · 06-06-2011, 08:27 PM

Just go big and use a block off plate like the one in my Sig for the cooler days and winters. I've played with it alot and know where to set it for for certain temps now.

ChrisSlicks · 06-06-2011, 08:29 PM

I unfortunately hit 265 pretty regularly on warm track days, and that is with the AE Performance 72 row Setrab narrow core (roughly the same area as the 34R series 6). They use -8AN lines so I'm wondering if I'm just not getting enough flow volume?

For the others considering a cooler - what you'll need generally depends on the driver and how hard you push the car. The more time you are on the throttle the more heat that is generated. For most beginners I would say the 24R is fine, but if you have previous track experience go for the 34R.

atropine · 06-06-2011, 10:46 PM

i installed an AE cooler on mine and have used a simple blockoff plate during the winter. went with the AE so i could have peace of mind in being aggressive during the hot nevada summers. There were a few reviews on this forum about still overheating at the track with some of the other coolers. i don't have any personal experience with any cooler other than the AE, but i am pleased with it. i also just swapped in a set of Hawk HP+ front pads for track day and noticed a big difference. good luck!

ChrisSlicks · 06-07-2011, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atropine

i installed an AE cooler on mine and have used a simple blockoff plate during the winter. went with the AE so i could have peace of mind in being aggressive during the hot nevada summers. There were a few reviews on this forum about still overheating at the track with some of the other coolers. i don't have any personal experience with any cooler other than the AE, but i am pleased with it. i also just swapped in a set of Hawk HP+ front pads for track day and noticed a big difference. good luck!

You will outgrow the HP+ very quickly, they don't have a particularly high heat tolerance, just a high bite. You'll notice it more in the tracks with heavy braking zones where you have to slow down from 130 to 40 mph as that generates a massive amount of heat and causes temporary pad fade.

cossie1600 · 06-07-2011, 09:23 AM

on top of having to get new rotors after each track day with teh HP+

Mike · 06-07-2011, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600

You will overcool you oil so much that the car becomes barely unusable

My car is off road only. No street use, so that's not an issue.

Mike · 06-07-2011, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

I unfortunately hit 265 pretty regularly on warm track days, and that is with the AE Performance 72 row Setrab narrow core (roughly the same area as the 34R series 6). They use -8AN lines so I'm wondering if I'm just not getting enough flow volume?

For the others considering a cooler - what you'll need generally depends on the driver and how hard you push the car. The more time you are on the throttle the more heat that is generated. For most beginners I would say the 24R is fine, but if you have previous track experience go for the 34R.

Hmm, could be my lines too. After the VIR mishap last spring I Didn't do any hot weather track days last summer. Previous summer I had the aeroquip slip on (slip off in my case) fittings with bigger hoses. Now I'm running hydraulic lines with same outer diameter but much smaller inner diameter.

cossie1600 · 06-07-2011, 06:02 PM

knock on wood, my an10 aeroquip fittings are working well

SPOHN · 06-07-2011, 10:16 PM

Mike, what clutch do you plan to with now?

Mike · 06-07-2011, 10:53 PM

I think it's a spec r,but I'm not sure. Jon at z1 just pulled it off a FI nismo and is going to try to get me a deal on it.

atropine · 06-08-2011, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

You will outgrow the HP+ very quickly, they don't have a particularly high heat tolerance, just a high bite. You'll notice it more in the tracks with heavy braking zones where you have to slow down from 130 to 40 mph as that generates a massive amount of heat and causes temporary pad fade.

i wondered about that, but was told that my usual track (spring mountain) is not particularly brake heavy. and i am still quite a newbie and only get to the track a couple times a year. what pads would you recommend over the hp+? thx!

SPOHN · 06-08-2011, 10:20 AM

Carbotech's seems to be very favorable pad here. Not positive of which ones to go with. I try to balance out my car for aggressive street/ track setup. But I haven't began tracking yet. But coming soon enough.

ChrisSlicks · 06-08-2011, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atropine

i wondered about that, but was told that my usual track (spring mountain) is not particularly brake heavy. and i am still quite a newbie and only get to the track a couple times a year. what pads would you recommend over the hp+? thx!

I'm loving the CL Brakes sintered pads. Available in moderate or high bite compounds, no bedding required (just seating), and they wear well. I would go with RC6 front, RC5+ rear.

This place seems to be selling them for the sport brakes.
Brake Systems - Brake Pads - Touge Factory Store

And here:
http://www.essexparts.com/shop/brake-pads.html
If you go to Essex tell them Chris Parsons sent you, ask for Jeff Ritter. I would try and get a price match as well since the other place is cheaper.

06-06-2011, 08:27 PM	#18 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Just go big and use a block off plate like the one in my Sig for the cooler days and winters. I've played with it alot and know where to set it for for certain temps now. __________________

06-06-2011, 08:29 PM	#19 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	I unfortunately hit 265 pretty regularly on warm track days, and that is with the AE Performance 72 row Setrab narrow core (roughly the same area as the 34R series 6). They use -8AN lines so I'm wondering if I'm just not getting enough flow volume? For the others considering a cooler - what you'll need generally depends on the driver and how hard you push the car. The more time you are on the throttle the more heat that is generated. For most beginners I would say the 24R is fine, but if you have previous track experience go for the 34R. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

06-07-2011, 10:16 PM	#26 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Mike, what clutch do you plan to with now? __________________

06-07-2011, 10:53 PM	#27 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	I think it's a spec r,but I'm not sure. Jon at z1 just pulled it off a FI nismo and is going to try to get me a deal on it. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

06-08-2011, 10:20 AM	#29 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Carbotech's seems to be very favorable pad here. Not positive of which ones to go with. I try to balance out my car for aggressive street/ track setup. But I haven't began tracking yet. But coming soon enough. __________________

06-06-2011, 08:07 PM	#16 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	You will overcool you oil so much that the car becomes barely unusable

06-06-2011, 10:46 PM	#20 (permalink)
atropine Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Logandale, NV Posts: 39 Drives: 09 6MT Sport/Tour/Nv Rep Power: 15	i installed an AE cooler on mine and have used a simple blockoff plate during the winter. went with the AE so i could have peace of mind in being aggressive during the hot nevada summers. There were a few reviews on this forum about still overheating at the track with some of the other coolers. i don't have any personal experience with any cooler other than the AE, but i am pleased with it. i also just swapped in a set of Hawk HP+ front pads for track day and noticed a big difference. good luck!

06-07-2011, 09:23 AM	#22 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	on top of having to get new rotors after each track day with teh HP+

06-07-2011, 06:02 PM	#25 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	knock on wood, my an10 aeroquip fittings are working well

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