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wdkwang 03-05-2011 08:17 PM

Drifting mods?
 
I bought my Z as a DD and a drift car.
I've yet to learn how to but I definitely will this summer. From what understand, throwing a car around as much as one would in drifting will slowly twist up the chassis and essentially weaken it. So I'm considering the 3 braces that GT Spec make (2009 + 370Z | www.gtspec.com).
Followed by the usual coilovers, front/rear camber kits, and sway bars.

Also, I was told that the stock LSD on our Z's should be replaced with a full 2-way LSD because our stock one will not be able to hold more than 1-2 drifts.

Thoughts, comments?

red6spd 03-05-2011 08:22 PM

What do you mean the stock LSD wont hold more then 1 or 2 diffs?? Like it will break?

wh1te370z 03-05-2011 09:59 PM

it will hold up for more than 2 drifts. i can vouch for that. BUTT it isnt the best lsd to drift with. I would def go for a dif lsd. You'll never be able to do what you want with the stock one. it tends to let go very easily. Also if you are going to drift the car id look into trying to disable ABS and traction control. this also will prevent you, IMO, from the car giving you its full potential.

shabarivas 03-05-2011 10:02 PM

Trays?

HATED1 03-06-2011 12:44 AM

Best bet is to get a 2 way LSD, get use to the way the car handles at the track. Next I would get, if you can handle the soft suspension, an oil cooler. Practicing donuts and figure 8's will overheat the engine quickly. Coilovers next. Those are the basics you need, tweek after you get the basics down. Don't worry about "stiffness of the chasis" at this point. Learn how the car works with the basic things needed to get it to drift.

wdkwang 03-07-2011 04:01 AM

thanks, i'll probably follow your floor plan hated1.

between trying to drift with the stock LSD and 2way LSD, what difference am i going to expect. will i be spinning out more with the stock one?

HATED1 03-07-2011 12:44 PM

With the stock LSD, at first when you are learning to drift it will be adequate as the viscous LSD should hold up, however after a few events the viscous LSD will wear down quite quickly wear it will no longer lock up both rear tires therefore make it difficult to initiate. An aftermarket clutch-type LSD is ideal for drifting specifically 2 way because it will always be locked, initiating drifts are smoother, more controllable and easier to initiate. The downside is you must be very careful when driving in rain or slick conditions, also there is noise associated with aftermarket lsds.

theDreamer 03-07-2011 12:48 PM

Cooling will be a factor, look at getting an nice open front bumper.
Gas/Fuel starvation will become an issue
Suspension

Your main needs at the beginning probably, after that you will start tearing things up and can just replace the OEM parts with upgraded pieces.

wdkwang 03-07-2011 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HATED1 (Post 973827)
With the stock LSD, at first when you are learning to drift it will be adequate as the viscous LSD should hold up, however after a few events the viscous LSD will wear down quite quickly wear it will no longer lock up both rear tires therefore make it difficult to initiate. An aftermarket clutch-type LSD is ideal for drifting specifically 2 way because it will always be locked, initiating drifts are smoother, more controllable and easier to initiate. The downside is you must be very careful when driving in rain or slick conditions, also there is noise associated with aftermarket lsds.

So is it cool to just run the stock LSD to the ground and replace it with an aftermarket once it's done for? Sounds like it's not going to last more than a season or two by the way you describe it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 973832)
Cooling will be a factor, look at getting an nice open front bumper.
Gas/Fuel starvation will become an issue
Suspension

Your main needs at the beginning probably, after that you will start tearing things up and can just replace the OEM parts with upgraded pieces.

What OEM parts am I expecting to tear up besides tires?

theDreamer 03-07-2011 04:19 PM

Clutch, brake parts (pads, lines, fluid), wheels, front bumper (actually all body pieces).

wdkwang 03-07-2011 04:59 PM

This always leads me back to the saying, "You got to pay to play."

theDreamer 03-07-2011 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdkwang (Post 974326)
This always leads me back to the saying, "You got to pay to play."

Yes you do, one reason people go with older cars is because parts are cheaper and if you mess something up you are ok with it.
Also because older cars are a lot lighter and do not require a lot of power to break them lose.

wdkwang 03-07-2011 05:11 PM

Yeah, I've come to notice nothing is cheap on the Z.
A few people have told me just get a $5-7k drift-ready 240sx and mess around that.
I honestly don't know if it that is better since it's that much more for another entire car, insurance, and cheaper replacement parts vs. 370z with a few grand in parts and more expensive parts. It be worth getting a 240 if I end up drive the Z into a wall, though.

theDreamer 03-07-2011 05:12 PM

You can get a 240sx for cheaper than that and set it up yourself.
Buy one for 1-2k, gut it yourself, throw on some coilovers and get some cheap wheels with tires and go learn. After awhile you can start throwing on some upgrades as you learn. Much easier than using your 370z right now and then messing up something that costs 3k on the Z.

kkruel55 03-07-2011 08:19 PM

Dreamer... you and me... backyard drift school. Let's go.

kkruel55 03-07-2011 08:20 PM

I'll buy the 240.

theDreamer 03-07-2011 08:30 PM

Sounds fine to me, can gut it and piece together what we need.
Just need to find a way to get it to the events.

HATED1 03-07-2011 08:48 PM

if you buy the 240 you will spend money either way, BUT you will be less hesitant and more aggressive when driving the 240 at events compared to the 370z.

here's a pic of mine.
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/7aa76715.jpg

wdkwang 03-07-2011 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HATED1 (Post 974720)
if you buy the 240 you will spend money either way, BUT you will be less hesitant and more aggressive when driving the 240 at events compared to the 370z.

here's a pic of mine.
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/7aa76715.jpg

aww shiiii, wish u lived closer to me my friend

wdkwang 03-07-2011 11:24 PM

hated1, what would you say is your total expense with the 240 including car purchase price and mods.

HATED1 03-08-2011 01:32 AM

between $13,000-$15,000, however i was at events since 2003-4ish when prices of engines and everything was at it's peak. I have been out of the game and sold that car a couple of years ago. Went to a base 350z, changed the stock diff to a 2-way lsd, any changed out to coilovers, and rear camber arms to correct the alignment. I thought that was good enough to start the 350z off, however one thing i did not anticipate was the stock clutch not holding up, or rather getting warm and becoming "soft".

That being said if you are interested in just seeing if you like drifting, take out the stock 370z to an enclosed environment where there is nothing you can possibly hit and give it a try.

You will find out that when you purchase a 240sx, depending if you buy one stock or modded, you WILL find problems with it and will question reliability, then your "track car" will end up taking more money than anticipated or more than you were willing to spend.

wdkwang 03-08-2011 05:37 AM

hated1, you and i will be spending a lot of time talking in the future haha

HATED1 03-08-2011 02:02 PM

No prob man, I speAk from experience, so I hope it helps.

CodeOfSilence 03-13-2011 03:30 PM

just get coils and try it out. im doing an event in april all let u know how they hang after

CodeOfSilence 03-13-2011 03:32 PM

http://www.the370z.com/members/codeo...c463ecd7-b.jpg

wdkwang 03-13-2011 04:32 PM

u drifting ur 20s? baller-ific


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