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the type S and Type R nsx are capable of high 12's in the 1/4. the NSX handles much better than any Z car. it's on par with lotus and

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Old 09-26-2010, 11:41 PM   #16 (permalink)
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the type S and Type R nsx are capable of high 12's in the 1/4. the NSX handles much better than any Z car. it's on par with lotus and ferrari.
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It does handle better, but unless it has some mods in a straight line it will not make it.

But look at the specs for a supposed "super car":

252 HP SAE @ 6,600 rpm; 210 ft lb

Weight lb: 3152

What made the NSX a supercar in it's time was the car's design, the extensive use of aluminum & mid engine layout.
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the type S and Type R nsx are capable of high 12's in the 1/4. the NSX handles much better than any Z car. it's on par with lotus and ferrari.
Sport Auto ran a 7:38s lap time around the Nurburgring in the NSX in 1997.
Sport Auto ran a 7:26s lap time around the Nurburgring in the 350Z in 2003.

Motortrend ran a 1:46.5 lap time around Laguna Seca in the 370Z.
Top Gear ran a 1:57 lap time around Laguna Seca in the NSX.

Willow Springs:
370Z - 1:28.30
NSX - 1:32.59

Those are just a few tracks I picked, the 370Z has posted better lap times around essentially every track both cars have ran on.
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WOW a 7:38 around the green hell for an NSX huh? and a 7:26 for a 350z?
thats pretty crazy man! they must have had a flux capacitator installed. i need to get one!

im sure you meant 8 instead of 7 haha.

links please? im pretty sure the nsx would be faster with both cars a 2005 NSX vs a 370z. both with the same tires and pads.

the NSX-R has a ring time of 7:56. the same time as a ferrari F360 stradale.

a car may handle better than another but not have a faster track time, due to tire size, compound and brake components, but like i said before i have no doubt in my mind that an nsx is the faster car.

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Yes 8 minutes for both, not 7. Were talking about the regular NSX, not the JDM only limited production NSXR. Around a track 370Z > NSX.
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a car may handle better than another but not have a faster track time, due to tire size, compound and brake components, but like i said before i have no doubt in my mind that an nsx is the faster car.

Power to weight, the cars are nearly identical. I would love to see a real world comparison between the z34 and nsx around the track
Fastest numbers ive seen for the nsx is 0-60 4.5 and a 12.9@110 by car and driver back in 1998 (3.2L).
That one must have been a freak nsx though as the average seems to be around 4.8 seconds and 13.2 1/4
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I was in the same run group a few weeks ago at my track with a mid 90s NSX. I almost lapped him after 20 minutes and he was a decent driver. This was in the advanced class and was my first time out...
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The NSX was never a race car, the power is not there and it doesn't impress me for a suppossed "super car". On it days was way to pricey.

On the other hand on the twistys is a different story.
When the NSX appeared in the US as a 1991 model, what cars were superior in performance? Not the Ferrari 328/348 (it wasn't until the 355 models did Ferrari equal or surpass the NSX). Not the 911 Turbo. I had a 1988 911 Turbo Targa and was about to purchase a new 1991 Turbo when I test-drove the NSX. No comparison there. The Corvette ZR-1? I had a 1991 verrsion-for all of 4 weeks. While some of these cars had good top-ends and quick 1/4 mile times, the overall performance was inferior. And, it was junk. The Viper did not appear until the 1992 model year and was not in full production until 1993. Oh, and I had a 1994 RT/10. While significantly faster than the NSX, its steering/handling/refinement were inferior. It, too, was junk. And what of Lotus? I had a 1995 Espirit S4S. While that car offered excellent performance, steering and handling, the fit/finish/qualiy/reliability/maintenance were terrible.
The cost of the NSX in 1991-1992 was comparable to cars with inferior perforrmance, vastly inferior handling/refinement/fit and finish and were far more costly to maintain. How can anyone possible believe the NSX was overpriced?
As to the handling, refer to my easrlier post. One cannot compare the NSX track times with the 370 unless similar quality wheels/tires are used. The NSX (as with all mid-engine vehicles) was extraordinarily responsive to improved rolling stock. When so equipped, the 3.2L, 6 speed NSX Coupes will be faster around road/race courses than a stock 370. How do I know? Perhaps because I have almost 50 years in the hobby, holding NHRA (National Competition/Super Street) and SCCA (National Competition) licenses before most on this Board were born.

I often found the harshest criticism of the NSX was offered by people who never sat in-let alone never drove-the car. The best example of just how good and advanced the NSXs were was evident by the responses of both Porsche and Ferrari in bringing forward new models far sooner than was their norm.
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Yes 8 minutes for both, not 7. Were talking about the regular NSX, not the JDM only limited production NSXR. Around a track 370Z > NSX.
Exactly,370Z > NSX.
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I know the NSX will hold it's value better than the NISMO. (that should tell you something)
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The NSX is one bad mutha fu****. What trips me out is most of you preach about your superior Z handling whenever people bring up more powerful cars like vette and camaro. Now that someone actually pulled a "BADAZZ" retro supercar, people aren't impressed or whatever. Lol
This car is crazy light. Its engineering its ahead of its time. It was a $60,000+ car that put quarter million dollar cars in check. It was kinda like the audi R8 and Nissan GTR today.. at the time 290hp was not very common. Even tho the 300zxtt outgunned it as well as the supra. The nsx was a true supercar design. As far as design goes, nissan or toyota has never tried to build anything so aerodynamically perfect. The nsx engine and tranny was perfectlytuned. The driving experience couldn't be duplicated, not even in a corvette Z06. Some of you need to go diggin in the archives. I'm not gonna repeat stats cuz a few well educated forum brothers schooled you to the stats already but a "true mid engine" car boasts handling that front mid or front engines can't possibly duplicate. I wish honda still was building such genius. Honda sure fell off. Instead of trying to build the NS-X, they instead build the cr-z. I just don't get it...
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Sport Auto ran a 7:38s lap time around the Nurburgring in the NSX in 1997.
Sport Auto ran a 7:26s lap time around the Nurburgring in the 350Z in 2003.

Motortrend ran a 1:46.5 lap time around Laguna Seca in the 370Z.
Top Gear ran a 1:57 lap time around Laguna Seca in the NSX.

Willow Springs:
370Z - 1:28.30
NSX - 1:32.59

Those are just a few tracks I picked, the 370Z has posted better lap times around essentially every track both cars have ran on.
Do you have a link to those times?

Also, what tires were being run on each car...


The NSX is definitely past it's prime-- I wouldn't buy one for the performance, but it is a classic. It was truly an epic car.
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My neighbor has a 1993-4 NSX, while I had a 300ZXTT. He would wait for me nearly every week day, just to drive in a competitive and spirited way. The two cars were very evenly matched, although he eventually stopped because he could not out pace me.
Since my 370 is approximately 10% better handling and 10% more HP, I knew the results before they happened. My neighbor was full of excuses.
I must say though his older car is still worth today about the same as my new car. The NSX is rare (approximate production 8,000), collectible and still relevant.
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My neighbor has a 1993-4 NSX, while I had a 300ZXTT. He would wait for me nearly every week day, just to drive in a competitive and spirited way. The two cars were very evenly matched, although he eventually stopped because he could not out pace me.
Since my 370 is approximately 10% better handling and 10% more HP, I knew the results before they happened. My neighbor was full of excuses.
I must say though his older car is still worth today about the same as my new car. The NSX is rare (approximate production 8,000), collectible and still relevant.
My car can keep up with an 06 maserati gt at the track... doesn't mean my car gives me the same driving experience as the maserati. Nissan gives a lot of car for the money. The driving experience in the Z and G (moreso in the Z) is awesome. But certain cars give a driving experience that's hard to duplicate.
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I agree with unknown 100%. The NSX is the better car and that 252hp number is from an automatic. I knew a biased Z guy would pull that up.

The car is hand built and weighs as much as a focus. Very well ahead of it's time, the car was built for aryton senna's liking (famous f1 car champion). Also an NSX would destroy a 350 all day long. I would put my money on a 370 in a straight line but that would be neck and neck.
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