370z vs 335i Coupe

BLM · 03-14-2011, 06:17 AM

YouTube - Nissan 370Z vs. BMW 135i, Mazda RX-8 R3, and Pontiac Solstice GXP - Car and Driver

370Z beats the 135i stock vs stock and is $4000 cheaper. The straight line accel is identical and the 135i has more low end torque (duh) but the 370Z is the clear winner in this comparison. Also, I've been doing some reading and if you just do an ECU tune and turn up the boost on the 135i it wont perform nearly as well or as reliably as if you added supporting mods like FMIC, exhaust, fuel pump, etc, which will bring the modding cost over $2k. So, yes, a bolt on 135i with tune will make close to 400 whp, but that's total about $6 grand more than a stock Z. The point? If you make the cars equal in price, that is invest $6 grand into a stock Z just for power (SC or TT), the Z will still make more power and have the superior handling if left stock in that dept.

They're both great cars for sure, but in independent testing, the Z wins and comes in a lot ($4000 to me is a lot of money) cheaper than the 135i.

HOWEVER, if all you want is performance at a price, you'd be better off with a 5.0 Mustang GT. So performance on a track and in a straight line is surely not the only criterion for selecting the car for you.

wolf370z · 03-14-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

YouTube - Nissan 370Z vs. BMW 135i, Mazda RX-8 R3, and Pontiac Solstice GXP - Car and Driver

370Z beats the 135i stock vs stock and is $4000 cheaper. The straight line accel is identical and the 135i has more low end torque (duh) but the 370Z is the clear winner in this comparison. Also, I've been doing some reading and if you just do an ECU tune and turn up the boost on the 135i it wont perform nearly as well or as reliably as if you added supporting mods like FMIC, exhaust, fuel pump, etc, which will bring the modding cost over $2k. So, yes, a bolt on 135i with tune will make close to 400 whp, but that's total about $6 grand more than a stock Z. The point? If you make the cars equal in price, that is invest $6 grand into a stock Z just for power (SC or TT), the Z will still make more power and have the superior handling if left stock in that dept.

They're both great cars for sure, but in independent testing, the Z wins and comes in a lot ($4000 to me is a lot of money) cheaper than the 135i.

HOWEVER, if all you want is performance at a price, you'd be better off with a 5.0 Mustang GT. So performance on a track and in a straight line is surely not the only criterion for selecting the car for you.

No offense but you're smoking some good stuff if you think you can get any sort of forced induction on a 370z for $6k.... You MIGHT get an OKAY supercharger/supporting mods for double what you suggested.. but by the time you have a bolt-on/tuned 135i and a based twin turbo 370z you're comparing a barely modified 135i to a drastically modified 370z. Yes, an NA to FI conversion is a huge change. It's not really fair...

For the record, I meant the 135i would leave the 370z in the dust... acceleration wise. The 370z outshines the 135i in the curves...

And yeah, a '11 Mustang GT would be far better bang for the buck than either of these two cars.. or *gasp* a c5z06.

Push370zzz · 03-14-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

YouTube - Nissan 370Z vs. BMW 135i, Mazda RX-8 R3, and Pontiac Solstice GXP - Car and Driver

370Z beats the 135i stock vs stock and is $4000 cheaper. The straight line accel is identical and the 135i has more low end torque (duh) but the 370Z is the clear winner in this comparison. Also, I've been doing some reading and if you just do an ECU tune and turn up the boost on the 135i it wont perform nearly as well or as reliably as if you added supporting mods like FMIC, exhaust, fuel pump, etc, which will bring the modding cost over $2k. So, yes, a bolt on 135i with tune will make close to 400 whp, but that's total about $6 grand more than a stock Z. The point? If you make the cars equal in price, that is invest $6 grand into a stock Z just for power (SC or TT), the Z will still make more power and have the superior handling if left stock in that dept.

They're both great cars for sure, but in independent testing, the Z wins and comes in a lot ($4000 to me is a lot of money) cheaper than the 135i.

HOWEVER, if all you want is performance at a price, you'd be better off with a 5.0 Mustang GT. So performance on a track and in a straight line is surely not the only criterion for selecting the car for you.

Well in short, no. I have one...and I DD on the tune that makes almost 400rwhp. It is perfectly reliable and I have literally not done a thing to it other than a tune. I get over 35 mpg on the Highway. My modding cost is $500...and I guarantee you it will destroy a 370z with $2000 in mods on a drag strip, driver comfort, or on a road course. Why can't you just admit that that's pretty awesome?

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Originally Posted by wolf370z

No offense but you're smoking some good stuff if you think you can get any sort of forced induction on a 370z for $6k.... You MIGHT get an OKAY supercharger/supporting mods for double what you suggested.. but by the time you have a bolt-on/tuned 135i and a based twin turbo 370z you're comparing a barely modified 135i to a drastically modified 370z. Yes, an NA to FI conversion is a huge change. It's not really fair...

For the record, I meant the 135i would leave the 370z in the dust... acceleration wise. The 370z outshines the 135i in the curves...

And yeah, a '11 Mustang GT would be far better bang for the buck than either of these two cars.. or *gasp* a c5z06.

Finally somebody with some sense!! The 370z is a great car, and I'd own one again. It just isn't very tunable! It would take $10k to do what $500 got me in the BMW. That's a huge positive in my book. And in all honesty, the Z doesn't handle that much better. With just some sway bars and/or a $1200 coilover kit it will have zero trouble keeping up with a 370 in the turns, and will blow by it on the straights. The Mustang is a lot of fun to drive...but it is not a fun car to tell people you have. I do like them, but unfortunately the last 20 years of Mustang history has really tainted the namesake.

BLM · 03-14-2011, 08:12 PM

This is contrary to what I've heard. The 335 guys talk about heat soak and the need for an aftermarket fuel pump. If you're doubling the boost and using the same intake, exhaust, and intercooler I can't see how that's optimal. Is it impressive to make 400 whp on a $500 tune only? Hell yes. But I've had turbo cars before and have worked on many Mk IV Supras and even they didn't make that power without intake, intercooler, exhaust, AND a boost increase. BPU+++ was good for mid 400's on pump gas. If you wanted 500 and above you needed to swap for a single. And in terms of a road course, I doubt it. All that power and stock tires? Plus the Z out handles it stock...

And im not trying to be fresh, but I've never seen one driven by a man.

whoLEEoh · 03-14-2011, 08:40 PM

Push370zz I understand u love your car. I was in-between the nismo and 135 myself. It's a nice car but not a true sports car IMO. Didn't feel like one when I drove it. 400rwhp on a tune I call bs. Now I know a tune frees up around 60who on a stock motor so I say your at like 340-350rwhp. And on a straight line for the 6k difference in price just ask jnaut what he spent on his car running 12.2xx on the 1/4 on street tires. Maybe around 4-5k. And on turns the 135 feels good and I think it's a drivers race but they come with skinny little 255s in the real if I recall. My buddy is making 430ish whp with only 3k into the 135 which is awesome so just enjoy the car both cars are almost equal when considering price difference and money invested (performance wise). The 135 is very confy dd tho.

AlphaSnacks · 03-15-2011, 02:03 AM

I don't know a single person with an aggressive tune on their 335i or 135i that hasn't blown a turbo or had to get the fuel pump replaced as a result. Only the guys who opt for the milder ECU tunes (30-40WHP) are able to maintain stock-like reliability. The guys who go all out for the 80-90WHP JB3 and etc. don't.

Push370zzz · 03-15-2011, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

This is contrary to what I've heard. The 335 guys talk about heat soak and the need for an aftermarket fuel pump. If you're doubling the boost and using the same intake, exhaust, and intercooler I can't see how that's optimal. Is it impressive to make 400 whp on a $500 tune only? Hell yes. But I've had turbo cars before and have worked on many Mk IV Supras and even they didn't make that power without intake, intercooler, exhaust, AND a boost increase. BPU+++ was good for mid 400's on pump gas. If you wanted 500 and above you needed to swap for a single. And in terms of a road course, I doubt it. All that power and stock tires? Plus the Z out handles it stock...

And im not trying to be fresh, but I've never seen one driven by a man.

There is pretty much no way this won't beat my Z on a road course. I had R-Comps and sway bars, but I guess we'll see.

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Originally Posted by whoLEEoh

Push370zz I understand u love your car. I was in-between the nismo and 135 myself. It's a nice car but not a true sports car IMO. Didn't feel like one when I drove it. 400rwhp on a tune I call bs. Now I know a tune frees up around 60who on a stock motor so I say your at like 340-350rwhp. And on a straight line for the 6k difference in price just ask jnaut what he spent on his car running 12.2xx on the 1/4 on street tires. Maybe around 4-5k. And on turns the 135 feels good and I think it's a drivers race but they come with skinny little 255s in the real if I recall. My buddy is making 430ish whp with only 3k into the 135 which is awesome so just enjoy the car both cars are almost equal when considering price difference and money invested (performance wise). The 135 is very confy dd tho.

It's not a true sports car, that's not why I bought it. The lowest boost setting brings it to 360 rwhp, and I can add another 3 psi or so on top of that. It's not a drivers race against anybody that isn't Jnaut...I have no trouble turning out sub 5 second 0-60 times starting in 2nd gear, and 0-100 is right around 10 or less. The Z was lucky to do that in high 11's.

Bottom line is you guys are frustrating me...I am still a loyal Z enthusiast, but I'm just pointing out how disappointing it is that Nissan put such an un-tunable motor into the 370. The car would be awesome if you could pump out 400 rwhp for under a grand. Unfortunately, you can't, and as a result...the 135i has been a much more "fun" alternative to my Z.

BLM · 03-15-2011, 05:10 AM

I don't think we're intending to frustrate you bro. Everyones entitled to their opinion. In terms of "un-tunable" I think it really depends on personal preference and the "want" for power. It's hard to compare an OEM NA car with one that is F.I. Any F.I. car will make more power per mod. Once the VVEL is tuned I think the Z will be able to make even more power, both NA and with those who choose to go the F.I. route. But other than Porsche (and BMW wit the E46 M3) I don't see many other cars with so much power out of the box from a 6-cyl engine. Also, the Z has been shown to make 40 whp gains with intake, exhaust, and "tune" (just to smooth out AFR). I have a very long daily commute to work, and even on the freeways I dont have much chance to open the car up. I don't have much use for anything faster than this, even though I will be doing some bolt-on mods.

It all comes down to personal preference. I don't think anyone's "hating" on the 135i. Different strokes for different folks.

GZ3 · 03-15-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Push370zzz

There is pretty much no way this won't beat my Z on a road course. I had R-Comps and sway bars, but I guess we'll see.

It's not a true sports car, that's not why I bought it. The lowest boost setting brings it to 360 rwhp, and I can add another 3 psi or so on top of that. It's not a drivers race against anybody that isn't Jnaut...I have no trouble turning out sub 5 second 0-60 times starting in 2nd gear, and 0-100 is right around 10 or less. The Z was lucky to do that in high 11's.

Bottom line is you guys are frustrating me...I am still a loyal Z enthusiast, but I'm just pointing out how disappointing it is that Nissan put such an un-tunable motor into the 370. The car would be awesome if you could pump out 400 rwhp for under a grand. Unfortunately, you can't, and as a result...the 135i has been a much more "fun" alternative to my Z.

Untunable motor?! Are you serious! First off VVEL hasnt even been cracked, there are so many parameters that havent even been touched. Right now its just AF ratio, timming and a few other little adjustments...and even for what it is, it still makes decent power on a tune. Second, you need to realize that your "just a tune" is for your TURBOS! You have what 300hp/300tq TWIN TURBO charged straight 6 right? Well of course a tune is gonna do allot for for you, you have (2) huge power adders right there. That straight 6 motor with out the AID of turbos wouldnt tune for than 10-15rwhp. NA gain VS FI gain is a retarded comparison. In fact i dont know any motor in the history of man (maybe you can enlighten) that is NA with "just a tune" that picks up over 150rwhp. Your tuning for the TURBOS not the motor...that motor is nothing more power than a Scion TC without the turbos. Third, about the handling, you say that with just sways and this and that you can keep up with a 370Z..? Am sure, maybe, but what 370Z is gonna stay stock anyway?! Stock for stock, mod for mod the 135I will not outhandle the Z.../

BLM · 03-15-2011, 12:54 PM

Some of these numbers seem amiss. The "lowest" boost setting makes 360 whp? It's rated at 300 bhp, so I'm thinking 260 whp stock? So you're saying that just by turning up the boost you're gaining 100 whp? I doubt this, but if so, what is the stock boost? And what boost is the "high" setting? If you're gaining 100 whp that has to be a difference of almost 50% boost or more, which in every other stock turbo car I've seen, would need bigger injectors, fuel pump, oil cooler, and FMIC to operate without heat soak, knock (there must be a timing advance in this tune - there's no way it's just from increased boost), etc

GZ3 · 03-15-2011, 12:58 PM

I have seen several dyno for this vehicle, the normal is about 260-280....so he is saying with "just a tune" no other supporting mods, just a flash, he is making over 120rwhp? The DME tune for these vehicles barely gets you close to 350rwhp

BLM · 03-15-2011, 01:08 PM

It's just not something I'd do (just flash the ecu without supporting mods). I had a turbo car before and I replaced the exhaust, intake, and intercooler before messing with the ecu. Idk much about the stock 335/135 intercoolers, but even people who dont up the boost go with FMIC's.

Push370zzz · 03-15-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

I don't think we're intending to frustrate you bro. Everyones entitled to their opinion. In terms of "un-tunable" I think it really depends on personal preference and the "want" for power. It's hard to compare an OEM NA car with one that is F.I. Any F.I. car will make more power per mod. Once the VVEL is tuned I think the Z will be able to make even more power, both NA and with those who choose to go the F.I. route. But other than Porsche (and BMW wit the E46 M3) I don't see many other cars with so much power out of the box from a 6-cyl engine. Also, the Z has been shown to make 40 whp gains with intake, exhaust, and "tune" (just to smooth out AFR). I have a very long daily commute to work, and even on the freeways I dont have much chance to open the car up. I don't have much use for anything faster than this, even though I will be doing some bolt-on mods.

It all comes down to personal preference. I don't think anyone's "hating" on the 135i. Different strokes for different folks.

Are we really going to talk about what might happen with the VVEL?

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Originally Posted by GZ3

Untunable motor?! Are you serious! First off VVEL hasnt even been cracked, there are so many parameters that havent even been touched. Right now its just AF ratio, timming and a few other little adjustments...and even for what it is, it still makes decent power on a tune. Second, you need to realize that your "just a tune" is for your TURBOS! You have what 300hp/300tq TWIN TURBO charged straight 6 right? Well of course a tune is gonna do allot for for you, you have (2) huge power adders right there. That straight 6 motor with out the AID of turbos wouldnt tune for than 10-15rwhp. NA gain VS FI gain is a retarded comparison. In fact i dont know any motor in the history of man (maybe you can enlighten) that is NA with "just a tune" that picks up over 150rwhp. Your tuning for the TURBOS not the motor...that motor is nothing more power than a Scion TC without the turbos. Third, about the handling, you say that with just sways and this and that you can keep up with a 370Z..? Am sure, maybe, but what 370Z is gonna stay stock anyway?! Stock for stock, mod for mod the 135I will not outhandle the Z.../

I am well aware that the tuning just ups the boost...but I don't really care where the 100 bhp I picked up comes from. I don't know what I could have said to make you this angry over it, but I think it is more fun to spend a couple thousand dollars or so and pick up almost 200 hp at the crank (Tune + Methanol Injection + Bolt Ons). What does $2000 bucks get you in the Z...30whp? That's what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by BLM

Some of these numbers seem amiss. The "lowest" boost setting makes 360 whp? It's rated at 300 bhp, so I'm thinking 260 whp stock? So you're saying that just by turning up the boost you're gaining 100 whp? I doubt this, but if so, what is the stock boost? And what boost is the "high" setting? If you're gaining 100 whp that has to be a difference of almost 50% boost or more, which in every other stock turbo car I've seen, would need bigger injectors, fuel pump, oil cooler, and FMIC to operate without heat soak, knock (there must be a timing advance in this tune - there's no way it's just from increased boost), etc

I have seen dynos from 265 to 275 rwhp stock, producing 345 to about 355 rwhp with JUST a tune on map 1 @ 13 psi. Map 2 is 14.5 psi, and map 7 is more like 16-17 (I can't remember) but you need 100 Octane gas at a minimum. For map 1 and 2, you really don't need to modify a thing.

http://www.burgertuning.com/images/dyno2.jpg
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Originally Posted by GZ3

I have seen several dyno for this vehicle, the normal is about 260-280....so he is saying with "just a tune" no other supporting mods, just a flash, he is making over 120rwhp? The DME tune for these vehicles barely gets you close to 350rwhp

Said almost 400...which is around 370-380 at the wheels. Here is a dyno with lower boost setting and only intake and downpipes.
http://burgertuning.com/images/dyno3.jpg

Here's another with high boost map, upgraded FMIC, intake, 100 octane, and full exhaust.
http://burgertuning.com/images/jb3_max_power.jpg

GZ3 · 03-15-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Push370zzz

I am well aware that the tuning just ups the boost...but I don't really care where the 100 bhp I picked up comes from. I don't know what I could have said to make you this angry over it, but I think it is more fun to spend a couple thousand dollars or so and pick up almost 200 hp at the crank (Tune + Methanol Injection + Bolt Ons). What does $2000 bucks get you in the Z...30whp? That's what I'm saying.

well i have only spent $789 and already gained 32rwhp. dont even have a full exhaust, tune, pulley, manifold, no VVEL tunning or Adjusting ie CAMS heads, no headers...pretty bare bones here

TXSpeedDemon · 03-15-2011, 03:58 PM

Is this thread seriously still alive? Face it, they are both great performance cars - stock or modified. Total amount spent (including the car) will net you a similar result on either car, or at the very least the result you're going for if you plan your mods right.

The difference really is in the styling. One car is for dicks who like chicks, and the other is for chicks who like ****. Not really much else to it.

03-14-2011, 06:17 AM	#151 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	YouTube - Nissan 370Z vs. BMW 135i, Mazda RX-8 R3, and Pontiac Solstice GXP - Car and Driver 370Z beats the 135i stock vs stock and is $4000 cheaper. The straight line accel is identical and the 135i has more low end torque (duh) but the 370Z is the clear winner in this comparison. Also, I've been doing some reading and if you just do an ECU tune and turn up the boost on the 135i it wont perform nearly as well or as reliably as if you added supporting mods like FMIC, exhaust, fuel pump, etc, which will bring the modding cost over $2k. So, yes, a bolt on 135i with tune will make close to 400 whp, but that's total about $6 grand more than a stock Z. The point? If you make the cars equal in price, that is invest $6 grand into a stock Z just for power (SC or TT), the Z will still make more power and have the superior handling if left stock in that dept. They're both great cars for sure, but in independent testing, the Z wins and comes in a lot ($4000 to me is a lot of money) cheaper than the 135i. HOWEVER, if all you want is performance at a price, you'd be better off with a 5.0 Mustang GT. So performance on a track and in a straight line is surely not the only criterion for selecting the car for you. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-14-2011, 08:12 PM	#154 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	This is contrary to what I've heard. The 335 guys talk about heat soak and the need for an aftermarket fuel pump. If you're doubling the boost and using the same intake, exhaust, and intercooler I can't see how that's optimal. Is it impressive to make 400 whp on a $500 tune only? Hell yes. But I've had turbo cars before and have worked on many Mk IV Supras and even they didn't make that power without intake, intercooler, exhaust, AND a boost increase. BPU+++ was good for mid 400's on pump gas. If you wanted 500 and above you needed to swap for a single. And in terms of a road course, I doubt it. All that power and stock tires? Plus the Z out handles it stock... And im not trying to be fresh, but I've never seen one driven by a man. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-14-2011, 08:40 PM	#155 (permalink)
whoLEEoh Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 647 Drives: 2010 370z NISMO Rep Power: 16	Push370zz I understand u love your car. I was in-between the nismo and 135 myself. It's a nice car but not a true sports car IMO. Didn't feel like one when I drove it. 400rwhp on a tune I call bs. Now I know a tune frees up around 60who on a stock motor so I say your at like 340-350rwhp. And on a straight line for the 6k difference in price just ask jnaut what he spent on his car running 12.2xx on the 1/4 on street tires. Maybe around 4-5k. And on turns the 135 feels good and I think it's a drivers race but they come with skinny little 255s in the real if I recall. My buddy is making 430ish whp with only 3k into the 135 which is awesome so just enjoy the car both cars are almost equal when considering price difference and money invested (performance wise). The 135 is very confy dd tho. __________________ 2013 Boss 302

03-15-2011, 05:10 AM	#158 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	I don't think we're intending to frustrate you bro. Everyones entitled to their opinion. In terms of "un-tunable" I think it really depends on personal preference and the "want" for power. It's hard to compare an OEM NA car with one that is F.I. Any F.I. car will make more power per mod. Once the VVEL is tuned I think the Z will be able to make even more power, both NA and with those who choose to go the F.I. route. But other than Porsche (and BMW wit the E46 M3) I don't see many other cars with so much power out of the box from a 6-cyl engine. Also, the Z has been shown to make 40 whp gains with intake, exhaust, and "tune" (just to smooth out AFR). I have a very long daily commute to work, and even on the freeways I dont have much chance to open the car up. I don't have much use for anything faster than this, even though I will be doing some bolt-on mods. It all comes down to personal preference. I don't think anyone's "hating" on the 135i. Different strokes for different folks. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-15-2011, 12:54 PM	#160 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	Some of these numbers seem amiss. The "lowest" boost setting makes 360 whp? It's rated at 300 bhp, so I'm thinking 260 whp stock? So you're saying that just by turning up the boost you're gaining 100 whp? I doubt this, but if so, what is the stock boost? And what boost is the "high" setting? If you're gaining 100 whp that has to be a difference of almost 50% boost or more, which in every other stock turbo car I've seen, would need bigger injectors, fuel pump, oil cooler, and FMIC to operate without heat soak, knock (there must be a timing advance in this tune - there's no way it's just from increased boost), etc __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-15-2011, 02:03 AM	#156 (permalink)
AlphaSnacks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 1,618 Drives: '13 XKR-S, '10 370Z Rep Power: 18	I don't know a single person with an aggressive tune on their 335i or 135i that hasn't blown a turbo or had to get the fuel pump replaced as a result. Only the guys who opt for the milder ECU tunes (30-40WHP) are able to maintain stock-like reliability. The guys who go all out for the 80-90WHP JB3 and etc. don't.

03-15-2011, 12:58 PM	#161 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 22	I have seen several dyno for this vehicle, the normal is about 260-280....so he is saying with "just a tune" no other supporting mods, just a flash, he is making over 120rwhp? The DME tune for these vehicles barely gets you close to 350rwhp __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

03-15-2011, 01:08 PM	#162 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	It's just not something I'd do (just flash the ecu without supporting mods). I had a turbo car before and I replaced the exhaust, intake, and intercooler before messing with the ecu. Idk much about the stock 335/135 intercoolers, but even people who dont up the boost go with FMIC's. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

03-15-2011, 03:58 PM	#165 (permalink)
TXSpeedDemon Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 330 Drives: 370Z, MSP, R8, 335 Rep Power: 3371	Is this thread seriously still alive? Face it, they are both great performance cars - stock or modified. Total amount spent (including the car) will net you a similar result on either car, or at the very least the result you're going for if you plan your mods right. The difference really is in the styling. One car is for dicks who like chicks, and the other is for chicks who like ****. Not really much else to it.

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