370z vs 335i Coupe

theDreamer · 04-07-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LostMarine

so, based on you judgement, not actual hard data like #'s, you really believe a GT500 can outperform the M3 in a roadcourse?

I do concur with the new 5.0 though, thast rather impressive. lotus? power and handling. It seems as thoug your are pickin cars that have A. more poer, or B. good handling

but not the COMBINATION of both. hence for the money, the M3 still is a top competitor in the top 5.

Add to that Daily driver duty status, and the margin between M3 taking a lead, and the competition gets even bigger. sure a C6 can do it all well, but have you ridden in one of those? cheap platsic interior is not comfortable.

so I ask again, is this your feelings, or do you have data?

Thank you for adding another to my list, the 5.0 Mustang: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend
The 5.0 is the slowest of the three, 5.0/Boss 302/GT500, all three which can take the M3 and be daily driven.

Lotus has power and handling so not just picking one or the other. Interior on GM is your opinion, you wanted a track ready car for the price. The C6 Grand sport fits that, if you want I can throw in the Z06 and just tear the M3 to shreds.

Honestly, the M3 is a great daily driver but is not a track ready car from the factory for the price you pay. Look at the numbers, the times of any of the cars listed, the M3 is not what it use to be.

theDreamer · 04-07-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

While I'm up, would anyone else care for some popcorn?

Can I get some skittles?

Red__Zed · 04-07-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LostMarine

so, based on your judgement, not actual hard data like #'s, you really believe a GT500 can outperform the M3 in a roadcourse?

I do concur with the new 5.0 though, that thing is rather impressive.

lotus? power and handling. It seems as though your are pickin cars that have A. more power, or B. good handling

but not the COMBINATION of both. hence for the money, the M3 still is a top competitor in the top 5.

Add to that Daily driver duty status, and the margin between M3 taking a lead, and the competition gets even bigger. sure a C6 can do it all well, but have you ridden in one of those? cheap platsic interior is not comfortable.

so I ask again, is this your feelings, or do you have data? Driver and #'s are always going to be different. but if you a budget of less than 100K, and wanted a car that can do EVERYTHING you wanted. and not just do it, but do it better than most. would you still pick those cars you tried to mention?

Lightning lap times.

28 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11
29 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11
30 3:04.5 LOTUS EXIGE S LL3 8/07
31 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10

Red__Zed · 04-07-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Can I get some skittles?

For sure, diet coke as well?

toxik · 04-07-2011, 12:01 PM

what about the 5.0?

LostMarine · 04-07-2011, 12:01 PM

why is that you guys feel the need to NOT have an actual discussion? because my views differ from yours? If i wanted to troll i would be arguing how MY car is better than others yada yada. put the Ego aside and converse. I could always say something retrded , like, "your 370z wasnt even on yor own list of cars, so why are you even arguing this? but im not that type of guy. besides. I have enough forum wars going on around here with enough 370's as it is..

LostMarine · 04-07-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Lightning lap times.

28 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11
29 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11
30 3:04.5 LOTUS EXIGE S LL3 8/07
31 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10

there we go, some data. where is the 5.0 on that list BTW?

and yes, you did prove me wrong on the GT500

Red__Zed · 04-07-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LostMarine

why is that you guys feel the need to NOT have an actual discussion? because my views differ from yours? If i wanted to troll i would be arguing how MY car is better than others yada yada. put the Ego aside and converse. I could always say something retrded , like, "your 370z wasnt even on yor own list of cars, so why are you even arguing this? but im not that type of guy. besides. I have enough forum wars going on around here with enough 370's as it is..

Because the M3 is not in the top list of bang for buck performance cars. Care to discuss the lightning lap times?

You'll note that the Exige still managed to beat the bimmer despite VIR being perhaps the worst track for an Exige.

EDIT: Your reply just showed up

Red__Zed · 04-07-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lostmarine

there we go, some data. Where is the 5.0 on that list btw?

And yes, you did prove me wrong on the gt500

44 3:08.6 ford mustang gt 5.0

LostMarine · 04-07-2011, 12:06 PM

got a link to where that data is posted. id like to see it.

id also like to see prices on all those cars, and lap times of all of them. not just the bests

LostMarine · 04-07-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

44 3:08.6 ford mustang gt 5.0

interesting, because i was just reading how the 5.0 matched the M3.. so maybe we need to see some more lap times and get an "average"

shadoquad · 04-07-2011, 12:19 PM

Ok, I'll bite.

I love the M3, but it's not bang for the buck imo.

It depends on your measures of success. If you just go by mag time, 0-60, lap times, it's pretty competitive. With around 70-80 extra peak hp on tap, it ought to be faster than a Z, and for twice the price, it ought to be faster than a Mustang.

But if you want to talk about "pure sports car" as in, the pleasure of driving, road feel, then almost nothing beats the Miata for the money (all trolling and jokes aside). For 20k, you can buy a tight-suspension FR roadster that'll hang curves and put a huge grin on your face.

Now, back to the M3. Stock-for-stock, probably crushes a lot of cars. Dip into the aftermarket, throw a supercharger on the Z or the stang (still coming in under the initial purchase price of the M car), and you may have quite a race.

Just my double penny. Thank you for playing.

Oh, but if I had the money, I'd rather have the M3 over all of the cars I've listed.

Shamu · 04-07-2011, 12:26 PM

The new Mustang Boss Laguna Seca edition will waste the M3 and costs under $40K. But I'd still take my Nismo over either of those bloated pigs.

Red__Zed · 04-07-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LostMarine

got a link to where that data is posted. id like to see it.

id also like to see prices on all those cars, and lap times of all of them. not just the bests

Those are mostly things you can find pretty easily on your own. The laps are from car and driver's lightning lap at VIR.

haggomyeggo · 04-07-2011, 12:35 PM

i think it comes down to feel with these cars.

The 370 for example can keep up decent pace with a lot of cars on these lists but it makes it power differently (read not much down low but lots at top end)

Same with the M3, its a high revver. The 5.0 does rev high but it makes it power down low and has more torque.
Its all about your driving style. I have never been a Mustang person, if i had to have a label, I have always loved Corvettes but I dont like sitting in them. I dont find them comfortable for everyday so I wont have one. I was disappointed at how the 370 NISMO performed at VIR. C&D totaled one due to the brakes......but i like the car over all so thats what i love. This Boss Mustang has got me thinking twice.
Main reason I didnt end up with a 335i, service, any little problem with those things you have to go to the dealer, and bills can get quite high if you are out of warranty and i wasnt going to be buying one new.
I think this could be the problem with racing nowadays. The cars are so modified to go racing it causes all the people who own the showroom cars to argue which car is better. My simple answer. Next years car is better than what you have.....

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LostMarine Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: nj Posts: 61 Drives: RB4 335I Rep Power: 0	why is that you guys feel the need to NOT have an actual discussion? because my views differ from yours? If i wanted to troll i would be arguing how MY car is better than others yada yada. put the Ego aside and converse. I could always say something retrded , like, "your 370z wasnt even on yor own list of cars, so why are you even arguing this? but im not that type of guy. besides. I have enough forum wars going on around here with enough 370's as it is..

04-07-2011, 12:06 PM	#280 (permalink)
LostMarine Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: nj Posts: 61 Drives: RB4 335I Rep Power: 0	got a link to where that data is posted. id like to see it. id also like to see prices on all those cars, and lap times of all of them. not just the bests

04-07-2011, 12:19 PM	#282 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	Ok, I'll bite. I love the M3, but it's not bang for the buck imo. It depends on your measures of success. If you just go by mag time, 0-60, lap times, it's pretty competitive. With around 70-80 extra peak hp on tap, it ought to be faster than a Z, and for twice the price, it ought to be faster than a Mustang. But if you want to talk about "pure sports car" as in, the pleasure of driving, road feel, then almost nothing beats the Miata for the money (all trolling and jokes aside). For 20k, you can buy a tight-suspension FR roadster that'll hang curves and put a huge grin on your face. Now, back to the M3. Stock-for-stock, probably crushes a lot of cars. Dip into the aftermarket, throw a supercharger on the Z or the stang (still coming in under the initial purchase price of the M car), and you may have quite a race. Just my double penny. Thank you for playing. Oh, but if I had the money, I'd rather have the M3 over all of the cars I've listed.

04-07-2011, 12:35 PM	#285 (permalink)
haggomyeggo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: IL Posts: 1,723 Drives: Steves old cars Rep Power: 17	i think it comes down to feel with these cars. The 370 for example can keep up decent pace with a lot of cars on these lists but it makes it power differently (read not much down low but lots at top end) Same with the M3, its a high revver. The 5.0 does rev high but it makes it power down low and has more torque. Its all about your driving style. I have never been a Mustang person, if i had to have a label, I have always loved Corvettes but I dont like sitting in them. I dont find them comfortable for everyday so I wont have one. I was disappointed at how the 370 NISMO performed at VIR. C&D totaled one due to the brakes......but i like the car over all so thats what i love. This Boss Mustang has got me thinking twice. Main reason I didnt end up with a 335i, service, any little problem with those things you have to go to the dealer, and bills can get quite high if you are out of warranty and i wasnt going to be buying one new. I think this could be the problem with racing nowadays. The cars are so modified to go racing it causes all the people who own the showroom cars to argue which car is better. My simple answer. Next years car is better than what you have.....