370z vs 335i Coupe

Shamu · 03-16-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Push370zzz

They don't. Some might call a Nissan badge a real flaw

When I had the Z, somebody actually told me they liked my Altima once when I was filling up. Yikes...

I'm pretty shocked at the animosity from this forum. One of your own (09 370z owner for over a year) leaves and gets another car and all of the sudden everybody gets all defensive over a positive review of a half-competing vehicle? I never attacked the Z...just said the 135 is much more tunable and that makes it fun for me. Unless you guys are going to have your 370 for the rest of your life, cut the crap. There are better cars. Even a 5.0 Mustang can kill a 370 on the track right? A Mustang! I honestly never thought I'd see the day, because I was always one of those "american cars are only fast in a straight line" people.

I wish the Z had a motor like the one I have in my 135 because it would pretty much be the perfect car, and I'd still have it. It doesn't, and for me, I prefer to have a DD that is comfortable, knows what torque is, and when I track it...minimal modifications should make it keep up with some substantially faster cars when stock. That is not the Z. That's why for me, the Z was not the right choice. It might be for you, and good luck.

No defensiveness or animosity, just a better knowledge of both platforms than you.

The 1 series platform has some real suspension issues well known in the motorsports world. How many 1 series do you see racing in Grand Am? Or any other serious series? Teams have made assessment and have said no thanks to econo box suspension on this overweight car.

I havent met a track yet that doesnt put a premium on HP but given new Mustang holds nearly 100 hp advantage and a 370Z Nismo can equal it or even better a mustangs times on some tracks I think that is alone indicates handling superiority of the Z. Also very clear AX guys in US made pony cars dont want the Z to run in their classes - most of them say the Z has a suspension advantage they cant overcome. LOL!

135i is very nice little econo car but its overpriced by about $5K. Seems like your trying to justify the purchase to us? I can understand how you were seduced by nicer interior and turbo power, but the car falls flat on performance side for serious drivers like me. I spent plenty of time in the 135i and honestly can say I was impressed with it as a commute car but not as a track enthusiast car. Lots of people outside of the 370Z world concur with that opinion.

Can we close this thread now its sort of getting boring.

Push370zzz · 03-16-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

What about the area under the steering wheel? Like how much room do you have between the top of your legs and the bottom of the steering column? I think that's what the reviewers were talking about in terms of leg room. I'm not tall either, only 5'10". But I played ball at 235 and I'm almost 250 now and I have really big thighs so when I move the seat up for racing i can just make it in the Z but for daily driving it's fine.

No clue. Can't be too bad if I haven't noticed it?

Push370zzz · 03-16-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

No defensiveness or animosity, just a better knowledge of both platforms than you.

The 1 series platform has some real suspension issues well known in the motorsports world. How many 1 series do you see racing in Grand Am? Or any other serious series? Teams have made assessment and have said no thanks to econo box suspension on this overweight car.

I havent met a track yet that doesnt put a premium on HP but given new Mustang holds nearly 100 hp advantage and a 370Z Nismo can equal it or even better a mustangs times on some tracks I think that is alone indicates handling superiority of the Z. Also very clear AX guys in US made pony cars dont want the Z to run in their classes - most of them say the Z has a suspension advantage they cant overcome. LOL!

135i is very nice little econo car but its overpriced by about $5K. Seems like your trying to justify the purchase to us? I can understand how you were seduced by nicer interior and turbo power, but the car falls flat on performance side for serious drivers like me. I spent plenty of time in the 135i and honestly can say I was impressed with it as a commute car but not as a track enthusiast car. Lots of people outside of the 370Z world concur with that opinion.

Can we close this thread now its sort of getting boring.

You got me there...I can't argue with somebody who is a super important professional racecar driver. Get over yourself!! I have only said the 135 is great FOR ME because I use it as a DD and will be tracking it. It's fast as hell and is going to be a lot of fun on the track. No need to turn into a jacka55 over a former 370 owner simply sharing his experience with a different car. I'm excited to see just how it compares time-wise with the 370 on a racetrack. I wouldn't be surprised if the 370 can outhandle a lot of other cars (especially the 135) in a parking lot.

I really don't understand this at all. Never talked $%&# about the 370. I loved mine a lot, and still do. I don't think there is any question I didn't buy a little BMW because it was a track beast...I got it because I didn't want a fourth car, it's roomier, more comfortable, and better in traffic where I spend 99% of my time. It's just a bonus that a thousand dollars can get you what it takes ten thousand to in the Z.

ianthegreat · 03-16-2011, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnold K.

I don't know a single person with an aggressive tune on their 335i or 135i that hasn't blown a turbo or had to get the fuel pump replaced as a result. Only the guys who opt for the milder ECU tunes (30-40WHP) are able to maintain stock-like reliability. The guys who go all out for the 80-90WHP JB3 and etc. don't.

Can you name a single person that has blown their turbos (w/ proof) because of the tune? I'm on e90 a lot and I can MAYBE count one or two (and it wasn't tune related

) It was oil starvation from a faulty line to the turbo. He knew it was bad and had problems with it in the past. Seriously though, the stuff you spew is what leads to these "zomg" rumors.

ianthegreat · 03-16-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Push370zzz

There is pretty much no way this won't beat my Z on a road course. I had R-Comps and sway bars, but I guess we'll see.

It's not a true sports car, that's not why I bought it. The lowest boost setting brings it to 360 rwhp, and I can add another 3 psi or so on top of that. It's not a drivers race against anybody that isn't Jnaut...I have no trouble turning out sub 5 second 0-60 times starting in 2nd gear, and 0-100 is right around 10 or less. The Z was lucky to do that in high 11's.

Bottom line is you guys are frustrating me...I am still a loyal Z enthusiast, but I'm just pointing out how disappointing it is that Nissan put such an un-tunable motor into the 370. The car would be awesome if you could pump out 400 rwhp for under a grand. Unfortunately, you can't, and as a result...the 135i has been a much more "fun" alternative to my Z.

From one 335i owner to another... 360rwhp is a bit stretched. Maaaaybe 350 at 12-14 psi tune only. Our cars dyno stock around 260-290 depending on elevation and conditions. For example, in Houston I dynoed stock at 282, after tune I was in the 330 range at 12psi. After I installed my dp's, fmic, exhaust I was around 380-390. Then w/ meth I can jump above 400rwhp on pump 93.

ianthegreat · 03-16-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Some of these numbers seem amiss. The "lowest" boost setting makes 360 whp? It's rated at 300 bhp, so I'm thinking 260 whp stock? So you're saying that just by turning up the boost you're gaining 100 whp? I doubt this, but if so, what is the stock boost? And what boost is the "high" setting? If you're gaining 100 whp that has to be a difference of almost 50% boost or more, which in every other stock turbo car I've seen, would need bigger injectors, fuel pump, oil cooler, and FMIC to operate without heat soak, knock (there must be a timing advance in this tune - there's no way it's just from increased boost), etc

8 psi is stock boost. 360rwhp is far-fetched from tune only. See my post above. Now don't get me wrong, at 15-18psi you can easily be 350-390rwhp, but without any supporting mods you're raggin on the engine.

ianthegreat · 03-16-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

I have seen several dyno for this vehicle, the normal is about 260-280....so he is saying with "just a tune" no other supporting mods, just a flash, he is making over 120rwhp? The DME tune for these vehicles barely gets you close to 350rwhp

The piggybacks, a la JuiceBox, Procede, COBB, net a lot more than flashes currently.

Push370zzz · 03-17-2011, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ianthegreat

From one 335i owner to another... 360rwhp is a bit stretched. Maaaaybe 350 at 12-14 psi tune only. Our cars dyno stock around 260-290 depending on elevation and conditions. For example, in Houston I dynoed stock at 282, after tune I was in the 330 range at 12psi. After I installed my dp's, fmic, exhaust I was around 380-390. Then w/ meth I can jump above 400rwhp on pump 93.

Agreed...I was running 93 octane at about 14.5 psi. On my 135i they dyno at 340whp with 91 and map 1 on JB4.

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Originally Posted by ianthegreat

8 psi is stock boost. 360rwhp is far-fetched from tune only. See my post above. Now don't get me wrong, at 15-18psi you can easily be 350-390rwhp, but without any supporting mods you're raggin on the engine.

I have a meth injection in the mail

Shamu · 03-17-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Push370zzz

Y
I don't think there is any question I didn't buy a little BMW because it was a track beast...I got it because I didn't want a fourth car, it's roomier, more comfortable, and better in traffic where I spend 99% of my time. .

Sounds like a logical choice for you. No argument there.

Push370zzz · 03-17-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Sounds like a logical choice for you. No argument there.

Your approval just made my day.

CZero · 04-02-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ianthegreat

From one 335i owner to another... 360rwhp is a bit stretched. Maaaaybe 350 at 12-14 psi tune only. Our cars dyno stock around 260-290 depending on elevation and conditions. For example, in Houston I dynoed stock at 282, after tune I was in the 330 range at 12psi. After I installed my dp's, fmic, exhaust I was around 380-390. Then w/ meth I can jump above 400rwhp on pump 93.

Yeah, but you still lost to an E36 M with bolts on

spitfire9200 · 04-02-2011, 06:40 PM

I just sold my Z for an 09 335i coupe... I don't regret it at all, but comparing the two is silly and will never end..especially on a Z forum.

Push370zzz · 04-02-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spitfire9200

I just sold my Z for an 09 335i coupe... I don't regret it at all, but comparing the two is silly and will never end..especially on a Z forum.

On the BMW forums the discussion was at least civil. Don't you f'ing love that N54 though?

spitfire9200 · 04-02-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Push370zzz

On the BMW forums the discussion was at least civil. Don't you f'ing love that N54 though?

Yeah man... the build quality, low end torque and comfort are way better.

I got an 09 coupe for 32k... with 8k miles. They guy never serviced or drove the thing so it's at the dealer now getting all the services done (which are free

)

but yea driving it before that was... awesome.

BLM · 04-03-2011, 08:03 AM

I dont think anyone disputed the build quality and comfort nods go tp BMW. Thats not the MO of a Z. The Z is a pure sports car in every sense of the word. The 335 is more of a touring car. I like them a lot. If I had the scratch it would be at the top of my list for a daily driver, in white w/ red interior and black rims with a polished lip. And I'd make my Z a full on time attack car.

Getting them used is the way to go. All the German cars are grotesquely overpriced new.

Kudos on your purchase! Enjoy it!

04-03-2011, 08:03 AM	#195 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	I dont think anyone disputed the build quality and comfort nods go tp BMW. Thats not the MO of a Z. The Z is a pure sports car in every sense of the word. The 335 is more of a touring car. I like them a lot. If I had the scratch it would be at the top of my list for a daily driver, in white w/ red interior and black rims with a polished lip. And I'd make my Z a full on time attack car. Getting them used is the way to go. All the German cars are grotesquely overpriced new. Kudos on your purchase! Enjoy it! __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

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