M3 is a beast of a car.

They're really not that fast, actually. A lot of us guys complain about 370Zs not having the low-end torque, the M3s are even worse, especially since they're so much heavier than our cars. Plus bolt on 370Zs are already running quicker traps through the 1/4 than a stock M3. And since M3s don't make a whole lot of power with bolt-ons, a fully bolted and tuned 370Z will have no problem hanging with a modded M3.

And since the boring 3-series interior carries over to the M3...I passed.

why are we using the 1/4 mile to compare 2 cars, neither of which are geared towards drag racing?

Because it is what the fast and the furious said to do.....

Nevermind that both cars are great track cars. Because trap-speeds is what you use when someone mentions 'beastliness' of a car. Being a beast implies power, and trap-speed is a measure of power. Pretty simple, and I just felt like pointing out that the 370Z can be just as powerful given a small handful of mods. We buy these cars because they're powerful and to enjoy that power, not because we can take them to tracks and revel in their handling capabilities.

Also, if we really are talking about gearing, the M3, especially the very short-ratios of the DCT, is very much geared to dutifully perform while drag racing. A 4.7:1 1st gear helps snap the car off the line, allowing for solid acceleration to combat the car's lack of low-end torque. It exemplifies that BMW wanted to make a car that burst off the line when the driver wanted to.

If Nissan and BMW wanted to make a nimble and good handling car, they'd have stopped at the 240 and Z3, respectively. Clearly, they also wanted to give us sports cars with power on tap. We aren't driving Miatas that are only capable of rounding a track gracefully and forcing us to largely talk about their handling abilities. We have cars that perform double duty for us: they go fast and turn well.

And that gives me two things to talk about: straight line power and handling prowess. If power doesn't concern you, sell all of those mods in your signature.

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Great reply. You've made a fine argument.

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My rebuttal was equal to the level in which I was replying to.

The M3 with DCT seems close to a second faster in the quarter according to C&D. While I agree with Top Gear's assessment (you'll lose a drag figuring out how to set it up) it definitely has plenty of power.

Right. Because I'm the one who decided to throw down the ricer implication card. Not you.

Your logic is pretty lousy.

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