What's your torque curve look like?

You have a Mazda Protege...

As my daily driver. Not that I need to justify but:
- It's also one of only 2000 ever made
- And one of the first 600 MazdaSpeed vehicles to be sold in the USA
- It made over 270WHP at it's peak (and only weighed 2800 lbs with me in it)
- Now that I ALSO have a 370z my Mazda is detuned to only 8-10psi and making a more conservative 225ish WHP.

However, if you'd like to see how your car does against my MSP I'd be happy to turn the boost back up to 13lbs and leave you behind on the highway. Trust me, I have both cars and the Mazda (when pushed) is definitely faster than my 370 was when stock.

And I'm not hating on the 135. Like I said it's a great performance/luxury blend. But in my personal opinion the styling of the Z is a night and day difference.

not to bad i gained, 25rwtq...the y pipe bieng the main contributer. I have the dyno here somewhere in the intake/exhaust section....my car is all motordyne parts...just waiting for them to release a full exhaust and thier intake so i can finally get a tune. I enjoy a good discussion :tup:

would love to have a friendly run with you man, where are you located?

Dallas. Anytime you come up let me know.

Like I said the MSP is detuned now so I'd need a few days to get to my tuner to upload the old maps onto the Unichip and mix up a batch of the old home-brew 105 octane blend. And she's 8 years old now with 120K hard miles on her so it's would be just a few short runs, but she'd probably like it if I brought her out of retirement for a little bit :)

And Push... I honestly meant no personal offence on the styling comment. I do drive an orange car every day, which seemed like a good idea 8 years ago when I was in my mid 20s, but doesn't really put me in a position to knock anyone else's styling preferences. :tiphat:

And I do love the motor in that thing. A girl I'm dating just picked up a used 335 and we've begun the modification process on that. You're right on the ease of power additions, no doubt about it. I spent probably $3K on my Mazda and picked up about 150whp. I've spent a little under $2K on my Z and picked up maybe 30whp. If only they were all so easy!

The BMW is my daily driver too...and the 135i is substantially faster than a 370z with any bolt on. Can it beat your Mazda? Probably. Do I care? Not really. ;)

I recently did a friendly run with my friend who has a 335i 6MT and a JB3 tune and pulled on him with the mods listed in my signature (haven't gotten an updated dyno run since the CBE). Different cars for different purposes, if he added some bolt ons and a more aggressive tune then the tables would be turned for sure.

Supercharger and turbo kits for 370 Z technically bolt on. You lose. One series econo cars have some real flaws. I'd rather have a mildly boosted Z.

They don't. Some might call a Nissan badge a real flaw ;)

When I had the Z, somebody actually told me they liked my Altima once when I was filling up. Yikes...

I'm pretty shocked at the animosity from this forum. One of your own (09 370z owner for over a year) leaves and gets another car and all of the sudden everybody gets all defensive over a positive review of a half-competing vehicle? I never attacked the Z...just said the 135 is much more tunable and that makes it fun for me. Unless you guys are going to have your 370 for the rest of your life, cut the crap. There are better cars. Even a 5.0 Mustang can kill a 370 on the track right? A Mustang! I honestly never thought I'd see the day, because I was always one of those "american cars are only fast in a straight line" people.

I wish the Z had a motor like the one I have in my 135 because it would pretty much be the perfect car, and I'd still have it. It doesn't, and for me, I prefer to have a DD that is comfortable, knows what torque is, and when I track it...minimal modifications should make it keep up with some substantially faster cars when stock. That is not the Z. That's why for me, the Z was not the right choice. It might be for you, and good luck.

Sorry man, motor vs motor there is no way in helllll the 135 is better, not a chance. The only single or should I say "twin" reason the 135 is even note worthy or a contender in a way is because its twin turbo charged. Other than that, mod for mod(na vs na), turbo for turbo the 135 will get left. No animosity here, and about the 5.0, that motor is marvel, idk anyone on here thats not in tune with that. So when you say "a mustang?!?" This isn't your regular car, the NEW 5.0 "mustang" is nothing like the previous and will hand just about any car its *** on a platter

Yeah unfortunately a used 135i is all I can afford :(

I've had my Range Rover since 9/2007 and it has been in the dealer exactly 5 times...for oil changes. I clearly didn't buy a 5500lb SUV to be a speed demon. Next time when I buy a car I'll make sure it's up to your manly standards. Oh wait, of the 4 other people I know of with a 370...guess how many are guys? Two. One of them is a freaking stripper. Does that make it a chick car?

Yeah, the 7AT's are going like hot cakes to women, you've got me there. When I called around looking for a 6MT they were actually hard to find. Everyone had 7AT roadsters. Anyway, I was stuck in traffic next to a 128 today. It was driven by a really hot brunette (not that it matters - I was just messing with you), and it was nice. It just reminds me too much of the Merc C230 Kompressor hatch (not in looks, just overall impression of the car - the 135i is certainly more appealing due to the power). Now that car was publicly marketted towards young urban professional women. There were press releases that said it. Whenever i saw a dude driving one i just laughed. But at the same time, when I see a J-Wow look-alike with fake tan, fake boobs, fake nails, etc rockin a denali with 22's or a Hummer (Jersey trash - happens all the time) it's pretty sweet IMO.

I also was reading that the 1 series got complaints about there not being enough legroom on the driver's side (more apropos to manual than auto models since you have to be moving your entire legs not just feet). Have you found that to be the case? I played D1 football and I can just fit into my Z in a race driving position.

I'm not exactly a D1 athlete, but I'm about 5'10 or 11 and I can put the seat far enough back to where I can almost not even reach the pedals. I don't have an abnormally long torso or anything either...inseam is like 32. The back seats are actually pretty comfortable too. I wouldn't sit back there for a road trip by any means...but they are actually usable around town unlike the Mustangs. It's a "small" car in that sense...but that's kind of what I like about it. The inside is not cramped in anyway, I have more headroom than the Z, and it's really easy to park in tight spots if need be. Supposedly the inside is basically the same size as the previous generation M3. Plus I can scare 3 people now instead of just 1.

What about the area under the steering wheel? Like how much room do you have between the top of your legs and the bottom of the steering column? I think that's what the reviewers were talking about in terms of leg room. I'm not tall either, only 5'10". But I played ball at 235 and I'm almost 250 now and I have really big thighs so when I move the seat up for racing i can just make it in the Z but for daily driving it's fine.