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AK370Z 04-19-2010 09:42 PM

Official Formula 1 2010 Thread: Shanghai International Circuit guide
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4trPJetaX4

Pretty cool track. :tup:


Lets keep this thread for ALL 2010 F1 discussions. So with that said, anyone saw Alonso overtake team-mate Massa in pit lane?

BBC Sport - F1 - Ferrari play down Alonso overtake on team-mate Massa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNFIvp8KFZ8
(lower you volume. Loud music :icon14:)

Xan 04-19-2010 09:47 PM

A race is a race.. :) So I don't blame him...

Barcelona is up next! :tup:

m4a1mustang 04-19-2010 09:50 PM

Honestly I'm pretty annoyed that the only thing keeping F1 interesting this year is the weather.

And whether or not Red Bull can keep the wheels on the car... literally.

Xan 04-19-2010 09:52 PM

Seeing Schumi "struggle" is somewhat fun to watch as well...

m4a1mustang 04-19-2010 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Xan (Post 504568)
Seeing Schumi "struggle" is somewhat fun to watch as well...

I'm pretty disappointed. I wasn't a big Schumi fan when he was at Ferrari but I really wanted to see him do well. I'd say it's mostly the car but Rosberg is having a pretty good go with it so we'll see. I hope he can get into contention by the end of the year, but I am sure they knew it'd take some time... which is why they gave him a 3 year deal.

Xan 04-19-2010 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 504569)
I'm pretty disappointed. I wasn't a big Schumi fan when he was at Ferrari but I really wanted to see him do well. I'd say it's mostly the car but Rosberg is having a pretty good go with it so we'll see. I hope he can get into contention by the end of the year, but I am sure they knew it'd take some time... which is why they gave him a 3 year deal.

I agree, never was a big fan of him either, but I'm sure he'll pull some entertaining moves again...

m4a1mustang 04-19-2010 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Xan (Post 504574)
I agree, never was a big fan of him either, but I'm sure he'll pull some entertaining moves again...

He just better get fast enough so he can do them up front, on TV. :icon18:

All of the cars should be getting some big upgrades for the European stretch so maybe things will get interesting... but man, given the current rules we need to have on and off rain to make the races interesting... the dry ones are snoozers.

Xan 04-19-2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 504579)
He just better get fast enough so he can do them up front, on TV. :icon18:

All of the cars should be getting some big upgrades for the European stretch so maybe things will get interesting... but man, given the current rules we need to have on and off rain to make the races interesting... the dry ones are snoozers.

Yeah not a fan of the "must run the two compounds on dry" rule either...
Just have them run what they think makes them faster...

m4a1mustang 04-19-2010 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Xan (Post 504610)
Yeah not a fan of the "must run the two compounds on dry" rule either...
Just have them run what they think makes them faster...

Agreed. I said this in another F1 thread and I'll say it again... they need ONE compound only... SUPER SOFT. If the tires can't hold up to a race distance of hot laps the racing will be much better. They need to slide around and practice a bit of tire management. :D

kevr6 04-19-2010 10:50 PM

No one has mentioned the new points process or the required summer break!
Also the lack of testing!!
I still feel that this has been a great season so far!
Hamilton, Alonso & Vettel are the best drivers on the circuit now!! (My Opinion)
Petrov, Rosberg, & Schumi will be catching up soon!!

dad 04-19-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 504552)
Lets keep this thread for ALL 2010 F1 discussions. So with that said, anyone saw Alonso overtake team-mate Massa in pit lane?

Hamilton did a lot worse than that! He was trying to pass some one while still being in the pit area(pit stop was finished, going back out to race). He's becoming a danger to himself and every one else! Last I heard he wasn't even penalized for that!

Xan 04-19-2010 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kevr6 (Post 504640)
No one has mentioned the new points process or the required summer break!
Also the lack of testing!!
I still feel that this has been a great season so far!
Hamilton, Alonso & Vettel are the best drivers on the circuit now!! (My Opinion)
Petrov, Rosberg, & Schumi will be catching up soon!!

Not a Button fan?
You know he's got the most points this season and won the previous season, right? :)

kevr6 04-20-2010 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 504671)
Hamilton did a lot worse than that! He was trying to pass some one while still being in the pit area(pit stop was finished, going back out to race). He's becoming a danger to himself and every one else! Last I heard he wasn't even penalized for that!

Ahh, he came out and Vettel got next to him...they both raced...happens all the time! "danger to himself and everyone else!"? If he were German and held the record for world titles, being agressive would be ok, but he's not so he is dangerous! He passed more cars in the field then any other driver and made it to the 2nd podium spot after 4 pits!! It's also alright for Alonso to be aggressive and nip his own teammate entering the pits. We won't talk about his shady backround w/ Renault.

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Originally Posted by Xan (Post 504671)
Not a Button fan?
You know he's got the most points this season and won the previous season, right?
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I've watched Jenson for years trying to compete at the level of the champions and never coming close! Last year Brawn had a vehicle with an edge over the field and he won the championship early in the year and had a cushion for the second part of the season were he performed in a lackluster manner. He has an opportunity and jumps on it with Mclaren so far has not dominated. His driving is not exciting with minimal passing on the circuit but great pit/tire strategy. Lewis took two seasons to capture the title. !!Worst nightmare for some folks!!


Bottom line! Watch and see!! Multiple races with bad qualifying positions that require passing the whole field to get good point positions...that's entertainment! I may be going to Canada this year...crossing fingers things work out!

Titan1080 04-20-2010 11:51 PM

Malaysia was a good race to watch, some pretty fast guys fighting through traffic! I'm no fan of Alonso but he drove phenomenally well considering his busted gearbox. Good to see Rosberg doing well, I've always thought he had the talent to run at the front, just get him in a car to match. Shaping up to be an interesting season, hope the Euro races are more like the last three, only dry!

sig11 04-21-2010 05:49 PM

Aaa My thread got one-upped. :)

I expect Schumi to pull it together before the end of the season. If they can get a grip on the tire wear I think he'll pick up a lot. Speaking of tires.. I think two suppliers could be an interesting change. How long ago was it that we went to a sole tire supplier? Was it like 2007?

Xan 04-21-2010 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sig11 (Post 507353)
Aaa My thread got one-upped. :)

I expect Schumi to pull it together before the end of the season. If they can get a grip on the tire wear I think he'll pick up a lot. Speaking of tires.. I think two suppliers could be an interesting change. How long ago was it that we went to a sole tire supplier? Was it like 2007?

2005 was the last season that Michelin was still there.
Since 2006 Bridgestone is the sole supplier...

I agree it was nice to see the internal competition to see who had the better tires for the race...

dad 04-21-2010 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevr6 (Post 506161)
Ahh, he came out and Vettel got next to him...they both raced...happens all the time! "danger to himself and everyone else!"? If he were German and held the record for world titles, being agressive would be ok, but he's not so he is dangerous! He passed more cars in the field then any other driver and made it to the 2nd podium spot after 4 pits!! It's also alright for Alonso to be aggressive and nip his own teammate entering the pits. We won't talk about his shady backround w/ Renault.

Aggression on the "track" is one thing! Aggression in the pits and pit lane endangering pit crew members is another! He needs to control himself in the pits, from entrance to exit!

m4a1mustang 04-21-2010 06:14 PM

I don't think we need another tire war. The manufacturers just end up pushing the limits trying to make the best tire and it becomes a safety issue. They should have one supplier and one compound per weekend.

I guarantee that if they ran super-soft tires that wouldn't last more than 25% of the race distance the racing would be 100 times better.

Xan 04-21-2010 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 507374)
I don't think we need another tire war. The manufacturers just end up pushing the limits trying to make the best tire and it becomes a safety issue. They should have one supplier and one compound per weekend.

I guarantee that if they ran super-soft tires that wouldn't last more than 25% of the race distance the racing would be 100 times better.

But that was what F1 used to be about, a race of technology....
Now they have rules and limits as they wanted to make it more of a drivers race...

I liked the technology combined with drivers race a lot more....

m4a1mustang 04-21-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xan (Post 507468)
But that was what F1 used to be about, a race of technology....
Now they have rules and limits as they wanted to make it more of a drivers race...

I liked the technology combined with drivers race a lot more....

The technology is great, for sure, but they need to make sure they're putting butts in the seats and people are buying their merchandise. F1 has to be exciting again, not just from a technological standpoint.

All I'm saying is give them soft tires. The cars can remain as high tech as ever, but with soft tires that won't go more than 25% of the race distance things will get very, very interesting.

And we really have to be realistic about the tire wars... they are dangerous. Every series that has ever had a tire war has almost gotten drivers killed because of it.

I don't know if you ever followed NASCAR before, but they switched to a single tire supplier after the tire war between Hoosier and Goodyear got really, really dirty in the late 80s. They were running tires that should never have been on track and hurt a number of drivers.

Michelin was really pushing the envelope towards the end of their most recent entry in F1... it was about to become pretty vicious. As cool as a tire war sounds, it is just way too dangerous.

kevr6 04-21-2010 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad (Post 507362)
Aggression on the "track" is one thing! Aggression in the pits and pit lane endangering pit crew members is another! He needs to control himself in the pits, from entrance to exit!

I agree, but I can recall multiple other drivers doing the same exat thing trying to exit first!
My point was to make a statement about Hamilton becoming a danger to everyone is a bit extreme considering all the other drivers that have done that same exact thing!!!!
You missed my point!! :shakes head:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Xan (Post 507362)
But that was what F1 used to be about, a race of technology....
Now they have rules and limits as they wanted to make it more of a drivers race...

I liked the technology combined with drivers race a lot more....

I too do not like the "Spec Sport" changes!! One of many reasons I do not watch NASCAR.


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