Drifting or Burnout switch
 

Hello everyone, I'm in the process of making a kit for the Z to allow full control of the car and wanted to ask the community as far as preference goes.

I would like to offer a 100% full disconnection of the VDC/TRAC however the standard way that most folks do (Yaw bypass) does not allow for a standing burnout. ABS interferes and stalls.

I could design it to disable the ABS system as well as VDC and TRAC however would like the communities input as far as preference.

To my understanding a Yaw bypass gives you a sideways control but keeps the ABS working which I would like to keep it for the track oriented folks.

The FULL switch mode would disable ABS/VDC/TRAC and let you do standing burnouts and drift however if I design it this way you would loose ABS and lock up at the track.

I understand that most folks think ABS is not needed however is not until you find yourself in that situation that you wish you had.

In y'all opinion, do you have already a system in place in your car that performs this and how do you have it set up?

Would you prefer a drift only or FULL 100% with the temporary loss of ABS as well?

Thanks in advance!

From what I see most of the track guys prefer to keep ABS in some form or another. I know my skill level on the track is such that I would absolutely want to keep ABS. The serious guys that are dumping ABS are typically getting standalone computers for maximum control.

If I want to do a standing burnout, I just pull the stop lamp fuse in the driver footwell.

Also, make sure you check with Trips or AK if you want to sell the product on the forum here.

Doesn't changing something via ecutek tune allow for standing burnouts?

Absolutely, First I would need the user input as far as preference. Since I know if I go with the bypass option I'll always get someone complaining about not being able to burnout.

I'm a firm believer a kit that would save you all the fuse pulling time would help tremendously.

As it sits for the full option I'm thinking of a 3 position switch to be able to select however if burnout option is not requested as much then I might just ditch it.

I believe it does, my focus is to be able to utilize the vehicle's electronics to do so in case the owner is not flashed/tuned.


Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

The confusion comes in from many across all years that state that are able to do standing burnouts with the Yaw bypass however confirmed yesterday on a 12 Nismo that it's not the case. Full stall upon the touching of brakes.
In my 10 G37s 7AT I can do standing burnouts with just the YAW bypass.

I created a thread a while back asking about a device that sounds pretty similar to what you are talking about

http://www.the370z.com/track-autocro...t-burnout.html

here is the device:

https://www.cs2000-z-tech.co.uk/coll...31711081136217

I think the general consensus from my thread was, why bother. Just get a tune and a yaw sensor disconnect switch. But maybe this thread will have more favourable responses /shrug

It only takes me a few seconds to pull the fuse or reinsert it while sitting in the driver seat. Paying money for a kit to save that little amount of time doesn't seem worth it to me.

Thank you for the links, it seems many have tried at this including myself.
So time will tell if I will keep at it or drop it.

That's a drawback that I'm trying to avoid. Though for me it wouldnt be such an issue to pull the fuse. I would be a hypocrite having tons of connectors and wiring and not be able to figure it out.

The Ztech module appears to be a top of the line option however one that your average folk might just not tackle.

From the Yaw bypass switch I already have made I got to see a friend install it on his own and have to say he managed it without any hiccups. Bolt on option, just for YAW control disable.

Over time I've realized in the wiring world that though for your serious enthusiast removing/replacing and even soldering and crimping might not be an issue but for your standard folk is not.

Another plus of a plug and play unit is the ability to remove and place back to stock and even sell that same unit forward.

My apologies. I'm not trying to suggest at all that this product would not be useful. New innovation should always be welcomed on this platform. There are certainly people out there that will find a product like this useful.

You just need to consider your audience if this is a business decision vs a creative project. On the Z platform, there just aren't that many people total, and the modding community is even smaller. My guess is most of the people that go far enough to want this mod are more than willing to DIY it.

I'm willing to debate it. There are much more folks who are detrimental about hardwiring something into their car so a plug and play option would yield more interest especially if the trigger flows with the rest of the car.

The product will fit Z's and G's so by fitting both chassis it amplifies the audience.

What I would then need is feedback on how detrimental burnout mode would be for these same folks, perfect example is the Zpeed unit.
Look at how much intricate his kit is just to be able to provide the burnout option.

what do you mean by plug and play tho?
We're still going to need to cut wires and drill holes for buttons no?
How plug and play could this possibly be made.

The z-tech seems as plug and play as possible to me. But i'd be interested in what you're thinking.

I don't think there is a way to do it plug and play. At a minimum it will require some wiring. It would be nice to have a simple single box with everything you need in it nicely manufactured.
A. Rocker switch for YAW sensor bypass
B. Rocker switch for Brake light circuit
C. USB charge and data port
C. Wiring, Labels, and instruction of where to splice into the correct places.
D. Cost ~$50.

I though about doing it myself when I changed the center console blank buttons but I really don't have the time or desire to deal with the liability of messing with other peoples brake & traction control system.
https://rockerswitchpros.com/product...itch-actuator/
https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...e-a/3047/6416/

Right now the YAW sensor prototype bypass has proven itself. It does interrupt the yaw and I've wired it to a OEM Nissan style switch that will go into one of the blanks in the center console. Full plug and play
This one is ready and once I make more I will post it once I get Mods approval however it's ready and lights up in amber.

The one I'm currently working is a more simple way for the burnout mode.

As I'm envisioning it is that burnout mode interfeers with the function of the ABS so folks wanting to do a burnout would only use the burnout a handfull of times.

The idea is to have both options available for once I've proven the Burnout one since I know there will be folks asking for it.

Heres: a crude picture of how the YAW bypass would look.
Note: these will only fit cars that still have the switch blanks
http://www.the370z.com/members/the-b...3-gallery.jpeg

What does plug and play mean? No cutting of wires?

Wireless maybe? :confused:

Plug and play in the wiring world involves no modification of the factory harness.

Not wireless. This is the switch that will come with is the Yaw bypass kit, lights up orange. Leds are simple enough to where they can be changed in color for preferences however right now it will be offered in orange.

If you're not tapping into the factory wiring harness, how are you planning to interface with the vehicle?

Sounds like what a line lock kit already accomplishes.

Pump brakes, hold brake pedal down, flick switch for solenoid to hold brake pressure in front calipers, let off brake, pound the go pedal, release switch.

http://www.the370z.com/members/2011-...-plug-play.png

Im old

So on the YAW bypass switch it will be a WIRING bypass. Remove the YAW connector and connect it to the kit then control the YAW by the switch.

Yes and no. A line lock would only lock the front wheels or cut brake pressure to the back wheels. It's a hard wire install only along with requiring the skill of brake line flaring. The burnout switch would hopefully tap into the brake electronics to fool the system into thinking it's not receiving the signal.
Still working on this.

:rofl2:I was used to use RTR (ready to run) term from RC cars back in the day.



Will check with admins on sale approval and will post the full picture there.

The YAW bypass will be able to fit in the under $50 price however the drift and burnout might not however if all goes well no wires will need to be cut or spliced into.

I've submitted the request to Trips. So be on the lookout for the YAW bypass product soon.

Here's an update:

Switches are working.
Amber will be for Zs
White will be for Gs

At the moment these will be YAW bypassing only. For AT models the YAW bypass lets you burnout as well.

For folks interested in the burnout + YAW they will be made upon request.

370z
http://www.the370z.com/members/the-b...31-wa0005.jpeg

G37
http://www.the370z.com/members/the-b...30-142313.jpeg

Small update:
Kits have been put into production. Here's a sample of what they look like

http://www.the370z.com/members/the-b...08-160151.jpeg

http://www.the370z.com/members/the-b...08-160158.jpeg

http://www.the370z.com/members/the-b...-115636-1.jpeg

so how does the burnout version function. what would it do electrically. (for a manual 370z.)

So this one will be YAW disabling only.

Still working on the Burnout version of it, it seems like at the moment folks interested in the burnout option are tuned and through tuning you can disable the brake override during burnout.

In the Automatic the YAW bypass switch lets you do burnout.

So in a 2014 7AT the yaw bypass switch will allow a burnout? Once you engage yaw bypass can you simply disengage and have immediate yaw functions again?

No, you have to power cycle the car.


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I think that regardless of having a manual or auto - once you disable the YAW sensor, you must restart your car in order for it to turn on again. Regarding burnout switch - no idea, but I would guess same applies.