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Rusty 04-23-2019 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro666 (Post 3845813)
It's the sport brakes.

Looking at the price of the SPL FUCA's, plus import taxes, plus installation and tuning costs it doesn't look like I will get them in before August. And the next 6 race days will be compacted into just 2 months and I still need to go semi-slicks and spare wheels.

So I'm hoping the HFC's, new brakes, retune, semi-slicks plus more seat time will allow me to drop 5+ seconds off my time over 6 track days.

I'm sold on the FUCA's though.

With semi slicks or slicks. You have to add caster to your alignment to get the most out of them. Stock fuca's, you can't do that. You need +6 and greater caster.

AlWakRa 04-23-2019 09:13 AM

I just want to again say, seat time is important, when I started tracking I was doing 2:40s, then the mod bug hitted me, I started modding and modding, sway bars, boltons, coilovers, alignment, brakes, tune, tires. I reached 2:32 on PSS and then 2:27 on Re71r. My car lacked toe adjustment range -didn't buy midlink or toe bolts- changed the bushings and got LSD, my alignment got messed up with too much rear toe in. The car was tail happy. Did 2:26 on r888r.

Some people said that is the car limit, but I installed toe bolts and got Hankook V12 evo2 tires (a downgrade), I did 2:28 with proper alignment (-2.2 front camber 0 toe 6 caster, -1.6 rear stock toe in). Returned to stock suspension with nexen sur4g and increased the front camber to -2.5 and rear to -2, I did 2:24. Installed new coilovers and I did 2:21.

So just to sum up, I was lacking a lot in driving skills and I held my car performance, still holding it, going from 2:40s (where I should be doing low 2:30s), to 2:30s (I should do high 2:20s) to 2:27 (should do low 2:20s)

But also, with shorter tracks, getting lower lap times is harder.


What I am trying to say, if you aren't reaching the limit of you current tires, you will not reach the limit of semi-slicks, and semi slicks are more tricky to drive on the limit, slicks are even harder.

Rusty 04-23-2019 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlWakRa (Post 3845895)
I just want to again say, seat time is important, when I started tracking I was doing 2:40s, then the mod bug hitted me, I started modding and modding, sway bars, boltons, coilovers, alignment, brakes, tune, tires. I reached 2:32 on PSS and then 2:27 on Re71r. My car lacked toe adjustment range -didn't buy midlink or toe bolts- changed the bushings and got LSD, my alignment got messed up with too much rear toe in. The car was tail happy. Did 2:26 on r888r.

Some people said that is the car limit, but I installed toe bolts and got Hankook V12 evo2 tires (a downgrade), I did 2:28 with proper alignment (-2.2 front camber 0 toe 6 caster, -1.6 rear stock toe in). Returned to stock suspension with nexen sur4g and increased the front camber to -2.5 and rear to -2, I did 2:24. Installed new coilovers and I did 2:21.

So just to sum up, I was lacking a lot in driving skills and I held my car performance, still holding it, going from 2:40s (where I should be doing low 2:30s), to 2:30s (I should do high 2:20s) to 2:27 (should do low 2:20s)

But also, with shorter tracks, getting lower lap times is harder.


What I am trying to say, if you aren't reaching the limit of you current tires, you will not reach the limit of semi-slicks, and semi slicks are more tricky to drive on the limit, slicks are even harder.

:iagree:

Semi slicks are not going to help you until you understand the car and yourself.

I've seen so many times a slower car with better lap times then a faster car.

As you gain experience. Change the things one at a time. Keep a notebook. Write everything down that you do. Even the weather for the day.

BettyZ 04-23-2019 02:22 PM

Mods are not a substitute for experience. YouTube has approximately 13,483,275 clips that back this statement up.

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Hotrodz 04-23-2019 06:00 PM

Get an instructor or an experience driver to ride with you. I thought I was doing pretty good with my Z at the track. It's boosted and has every suspension upgrade and then I blew my engine. I got a Miata and now I am leaning how to become faster. I can drive the car at the limit without worrying if it is going to kill myself. I am learning car control and what momentum is all about. Miss a shift or an apex and you can forget about your lap time. I can't stress enough how important it is to get instruction. Let your instructor drive your car and watch everything her she does. Every time I have an instructor ride with me I get faster!

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Maestro666 04-23-2019 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 3845815)
That is a lot of shifting you did and I don’t hear any tire noise. The tire wall is a little scary.

This was my fastest recorded lap. I did another lap which I think was a bit faster, and with some screeching in the corners, but the clock stuffed up so I never got a time for that one.

These tires at 30 PSI cold will not slip unless you gun it mid-corner.

2 cars were smashed that day. One was a nice new WRX that had heaps of money thrown into it and rammed the tire wall at the last chicane. Total write-off. His previous lap was a 53.**

Maestro666 04-23-2019 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3846004)
Get an instructor or an experience driver to ride with you. I thought I was doing pretty good with my Z at the track. It's boosted and has every suspension upgrade and then I blew my engine. I got a Miata and now I am leaning how to become faster. I can drive the car at the limit without worrying if it is going to kill myself. I am learning car control and what momentum is all about. Miss a shift or an apex and you can forget about your lap time. I can't stress enough how important it is to get instruction. Let your instructor drive your car and watch everything her she does. Every time I have an instructor ride with me I get faster!

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Very good idea. There is a guy there that was putting down sub 60's in his Z a year ago before he moved to a different car. I can stick a gopro on his head.

Maestro666 04-24-2019 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlWakRa (Post 3845895)
I just want to again say, seat time is important, when I started tracking I was doing 2:40s, then the mod bug hitted me, I started modding and modding, sway bars, boltons, coilovers, alignment, brakes, tune, tires. I reached 2:32 on PSS and then 2:27 on Re71r. My car lacked toe adjustment range -didn't buy midlink or toe bolts- changed the bushings and got LSD, my alignment got messed up with too much rear toe in. The car was tail happy. Did 2:26 on r888r.

Some people said that is the car limit, but I installed toe bolts and got Hankook V12 evo2 tires (a downgrade), I did 2:28 with proper alignment (-2.2 front camber 0 toe 6 caster, -1.6 rear stock toe in). Returned to stock suspension with nexen sur4g and increased the front camber to -2.5 and rear to -2, I did 2:24. Installed new coilovers and I did 2:21.

So just to sum up, I was lacking a lot in driving skills and I held my car performance, still holding it, going from 2:40s (where I should be doing low 2:30s), to 2:30s (I should do high 2:20s) to 2:27 (should do low 2:20s)

But also, with shorter tracks, getting lower lap times is harder.


What I am trying to say, if you aren't reaching the limit of you current tires, you will not reach the limit of semi-slicks, and semi slicks are more tricky to drive on the limit, slicks are even harder.

Well my current tires will have had quite a few heat cycles by August and then I will be asking them to do another 6 track days.

So my options are.

1. Buy a new set of street tires just before August

2. Keep the current set and run them with FUCA's (maybe?)

3. Buy semi-slicks and run them on another set of wheels so they stay fresh.

4. Focus on completing the 3 major performance bolt-ons and re-tune

What would you do?

Elmo370z 04-24-2019 02:52 AM

You need seat time my friend. Plan and simple.

danegrey 04-24-2019 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3846132)
You need seat time my friend. Plan and simple.

:iagree:

Slow down, seat time, instruction, get to know how the car and you get along as your driving skills improve...

Yes it is addictive, lots of us are addictive.. but also do it so it is fun

AlWakRa 04-24-2019 08:14 AM

I would keep the tires until they are worn, and add fuca later on. Keep in mind, each mod will change how the car behave, so you would need to adjust yourself to it.

Elmo370z 04-24-2019 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlWakRa (Post 3846165)
I would keep the tires until they are worn, and add fuca later on. Keep in mind, each mod will change how the car behave, so you would need to adjust yourself to it.

This^^. I’m still on oem suspension, and my times still keep dropping each track day.

cossie1600 04-25-2019 12:43 AM

Before you blow your money on suspension, spend the money on tires and driving. The car is pretty good stock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj__fbR_QVc&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=791wv6p61lU

Rusty 04-25-2019 08:02 AM

OP is convinced that he needs mods to go faster. Rather than learning the basics.

BettyZ 04-25-2019 08:43 AM

Personal improvement is the new killer app.

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