370z crashed at VIR? member here?

AK370Z · 12-08-2009, 12:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrA2_ivOtWM

vipor · 12-08-2009, 12:08 PM

i was cringing the whole time.... ewww

out-of-car shot? or maybe from the bimmer?

molamann · 12-08-2009, 12:16 PM

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AK370Z · 12-08-2009, 12:21 PM

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wow... you're correct!

Here's the thread: Registered for my first HPDE (TrackDaze VIR - Nov 16/17)

RCZ · 12-08-2009, 01:18 PM

Haha I saw this like a month ago from the man himself.

vipor · 12-08-2009, 01:29 PM

at least it only looks superficial

m4a1mustang · 12-08-2009, 01:36 PM

Wow, that sucks.

I remember spinning my Mustang at VIR. Luckily I didn't hit anything... but it was a bit of a scare!

spearfish25 · 12-08-2009, 02:49 PM

Found the other camera

but

for the car

...and this, my friends, is why I'm too chicken to turn off VDC when I'm at the track. Granted the driver's reaction to counter-steer the slide was too slow and insufficient. Easy to be a judge from a desk watching a video though. Sorry about the car and experience, but glad the repairs are going well. Registered for my first HPDE (TrackDaze VIR - Nov 16/17)

vipor · 12-08-2009, 02:54 PM

speedworks · 12-08-2009, 03:09 PM

I honestly don't understand why that happened. I have raced VIR many times, including working the flags at that turn, and to have him hit driver's right at that location, front first, is an akward point of impact for that turn. He should have lifted and/or countersteered, and at some point slammed on the brakes. Most spins happen down the hill drivers left. It almost looks like he had a stuck throttle or he didn't counter steer.

imag · 12-08-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by speedworks

I honestly don't understand why that happened. I have raced VIR many times, including working the flags at that turn, and to have him hit driver's right at that location, front first, is an akward point of impact for that turn. He should have lifted and/or countersteered, and at some point slammed on the brakes. Most spins happen down the hill drivers left. It almost looks like he had a stuck throttle or he didn't counter steer.

Some of us who are newer to the track aren't quite as quick on the countersteer (I'll speak for myself here). I looped it at Infineon over Turn 2 on cold tires (first turn out after lunch) and I did basically the same thing. I kept my foot too far into the throttle a bit too long and didn't countersteer quickly enough when it started to come around. I am also used to midengine cars where the consequences of lifting can be worse than keeping your foot steady.

Luckily for me I stayed on track, only rolling off to let people by, but I can see how this would happen.

Sharif@Forged · 12-08-2009, 03:22 PM

Awe that is aweful, but looks like the damage isn't too bad. Consider it a lesson learned.

At least you hopefully have it out of your system.

How much track experience do you have? Who was your instructor?

RCZ · 12-08-2009, 06:10 PM

He was being told to trailbrake around that corner on his first track day ... that should've been slow in power out his first time there..

Needed to countersteer more and faster to try and save that.

Mike · 12-08-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

He was being told to trailbrake around that corner on his first track day ... that should've been slow in power out his first time there..

Needed to countersteer more and faster to try and save that.

Sorry Bobo!

Trailbraking or not, he turned in way too early for that particular corner. You need to hug the 2nd half of that apex to make the turn correctly and set up for the next corner.

speedworks · 12-08-2009, 10:17 PM

Yeah, I don't think he came in too hot, if so he would have gone off driver's left, not right - I've done it, the momentum throws you off the track, down the hill. And trailbraking at a first HPDE is not a problem; as an experienced driver, there is nothing wrong with promoting/teaching that early on. I do agree he turned in too early, and he forgot the all important, when in a spin, 2 feet in. It is a track day, not a race, so once you are out of control, don't risk trying to power out of it, just hit the brakes.

As for iracing.com, I agree to do that, it actually has my race car as an option (spec racer ford), and I have tested that system before and it is probably the best out there.

At least he had a positive attitude, and will fix it, and hopefully have fun again.

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12-08-2009, 12:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	i was cringing the whole time.... ewww out-of-car shot? or maybe from the bimmer? __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

12-08-2009, 01:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Haha I saw this like a month ago from the man himself. Last edited by RCZ; 12-08-2009 at 06:12 PM.

12-08-2009, 01:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	at least it only looks superficial __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Wow, that sucks. I remember spinning my Mustang at VIR. Luckily I didn't hit anything... but it was a bit of a scare! __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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12-08-2009, 02:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1857	Found the other camera but for the car ...and this, my friends, is why I'm too chicken to turn off VDC when I'm at the track. Granted the driver's reaction to counter-steer the slide was too slow and insufficient. Easy to be a judge from a desk watching a video though. Sorry about the car and experience, but glad the repairs are going well. Registered for my first HPDE (TrackDaze VIR - Nov 16/17) __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z Last edited by spearfish25; 12-08-2009 at 03:02 PM.

12-08-2009, 02:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	__________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

12-08-2009, 03:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
speedworks Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 550 Drives: PW purchased 01/09 Rep Power: 18	I honestly don't understand why that happened. I have raced VIR many times, including working the flags at that turn, and to have him hit driver's right at that location, front first, is an akward point of impact for that turn. He should have lifted and/or countersteered, and at some point slammed on the brakes. Most spins happen down the hill drivers left. It almost looks like he had a stuck throttle or he didn't counter steer. Last edited by speedworks; 12-08-2009 at 04:21 PM.

12-08-2009, 03:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sharif@Forged The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 840 Drives: 2009 GT-R, 2010 370Z Rep Power: 18	Awe that is aweful, but looks like the damage isn't too bad. Consider it a lesson learned. At least you hopefully have it out of your system. How much track experience do you have? Who was your instructor? __________________ Sharif@Forgedperformance.com General Manager/Certified Tuner/NASA-PCA-BMWCAA Instructor JRZ RS1's Available NOW...PM me Cobb ProTuner, Uprev ECU Flash, FCON Vpro, Haltech, Motec Certified

12-08-2009, 06:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	He was being told to trailbrake around that corner on his first track day ... that should've been slow in power out his first time there.. Needed to countersteer more and faster to try and save that. Last edited by RCZ; 12-08-2009 at 06:14 PM.

12-08-2009, 10:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
speedworks Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 550 Drives: PW purchased 01/09 Rep Power: 18	Yeah, I don't think he came in too hot, if so he would have gone off driver's left, not right - I've done it, the momentum throws you off the track, down the hill. And trailbraking at a first HPDE is not a problem; as an experienced driver, there is nothing wrong with promoting/teaching that early on. I do agree he turned in too early, and he forgot the all important, when in a spin, 2 feet in. It is a track day, not a race, so once you are out of control, don't risk trying to power out of it, just hit the brakes. As for iracing.com, I agree to do that, it actually has my race car as an option (spec racer ford), and I have tested that system before and it is probably the best out there. At least he had a positive attitude, and will fix it, and hopefully have fun again. Last edited by speedworks; 12-08-2009 at 10:25 PM.

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