Nissan 370Z Forum  

Autocross Push bad help

Hey guys, So raced my z today in autocross and I had severe pushing or hoping in the front. Only mods are Whiteline Front sway bar and CBE. Tires were

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Track / Autocross / Drifting / Dragstrip


Like Tree15Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-12-2015, 09:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Omaha NE
Posts: 272
Drives: 09 370Z PG M6
Rep Power: 25
CJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond repute
Default Autocross Push bad help

Hey guys,
So raced my z today in autocross and I had severe pushing or hoping in the front. Only mods are Whiteline Front sway bar and CBE. Tires were at 38 all around. It was extremely hot day.

Any ideas on how to get rid of the major push. btw, front sway bar is on stiffest setting.

Granted I am in B Street class so major mods will push me out of that class but I am thinking coilovers would be key?
CJBinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2015, 09:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 215
Drives: 2014 370z black 6spd
Rep Power: 11
Dcocci is on a distinguished road
Default

Tires. I had severe understeer and bought a set of square wheels and 285/35r18 hankook ventus RS3's. That got rid of all of my understeer. Get the best tires you can for your class
Brendan likes this.
__________________
-08 Porsche Cayman S
Dcocci is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2015, 11:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 641
Drives: Poor man's Porsche
Rep Power: 542
Brendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond reputeBrendan has a reputation beyond repute
Default

What size and type of tire are you running?
Brendan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 07:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Omaha NE
Posts: 272
Drives: 09 370Z PG M6
Rep Power: 25
CJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I have the sport wheels with Continental Extreme Contact DW tires.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Injen cold air intakes, Ported upper and lower manifolds, OS Giken LSD, F1 Long Tube Headers, Magnaflow CBE. Natural Baby
CJBinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 07:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Omaha NE
Posts: 272
Drives: 09 370Z PG M6
Rep Power: 25
CJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcocci View Post
Tires. I had severe understeer and bought a set of square wheels and 285/35r18 hankook ventus RS3's. That got rid of all of my understeer. Get the best tires you can for your class

What wheel size do you use?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Injen cold air intakes, Ported upper and lower manifolds, OS Giken LSD, F1 Long Tube Headers, Magnaflow CBE. Natural Baby
CJBinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 08:28 AM   #6 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: VA
Posts: 260
Drives: Gunmetal 12'
Rep Power: 12
240se is a jewel in the rough240se is a jewel in the rough240se is a jewel in the rough240se is a jewel in the rough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CJBinder View Post
I have the sport wheels with Continental Extreme Contact DW tires.
If you are running 245/40-19 up front you can go to 275/35-19 on the stock Rays.
zpower86 likes this.

Last edited by 240se; 07-13-2015 at 11:32 AM.
240se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 08:39 AM   #7 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 215
Drives: 2014 370z black 6spd
Rep Power: 11
Dcocci is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CJBinder View Post
What wheel size do you use?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
18x10.5 all around
redline10000 likes this.
__________________
-08 Porsche Cayman S
Dcocci is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 09:25 AM   #8 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Alabama
Posts: 452
Drives: 2005 crossfire Srt6
Rep Power: 11
cjwsrt6 is a jewel in the roughcjwsrt6 is a jewel in the roughcjwsrt6 is a jewel in the roughcjwsrt6 is a jewel in the rough
Default

First thing I would do is get a bigger front tire, it will help tremendously. if you want to stay BS just run 275 square. I am fairly new to this car but been autocrossing a little while. I have koni yellows, eibach front sway(on soft) and 275 RS3's square. I was pushing yesterday with my tires being new and greasy, the afternoon I decided to run the konis stiff up front, about 20% rear, 36f and 33r psi and it was handling great.
with all this said I would recommend tires first then possibly the konis if you want to do this every month
cjwsrt6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 10:25 AM   #9 (permalink)
Track Member
 
ufoz8mycow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Vegas
Posts: 536
Drives: Black Cherry '12 Z
Rep Power: 16
ufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant futureufoz8mycow has a brilliant future
Default

Like everyone else said. The easiest way to dial that understeer out without getting booted from B stock is a front tire upgrade and more width. Check the books though as there might be a limit to how much wider over stock you can go in that class.
ufoz8mycow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 10:56 AM   #10 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
gomer_110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Perrysburg, OH
Posts: 17,992
Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM
Rep Power: 36941
gomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Make sure if you end up getting new tires you get the Bridgestone RE-71R's. Currently, these are the street tires to have for autox.
admin, CJBinder, zpower86 and 1 others like this.
__________________
'11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions | Stillen | Motordyne | Uprev | CSF | Zspeed | Z1 Motorsports | AST | Swift | SPC | SPL | Whiteline | Hotchkis | Bride | Schroth | Robispec | Cusco | Nismo | Volk | Forgestar | Hoosier | RJM
'17 Titan Bone Stock
gomer_110 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 11:39 AM   #11 (permalink)
DR_
Track Member
 
DR_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Dallas
Posts: 981
Drives: Touring/Sport M6 PG
Rep Power: 17
DR_ is a jewel in the roughDR_ is a jewel in the roughDR_ is a jewel in the rough
Default

That front bar setup is too stiff for your current setup and track conditions. Once you have more tire (wider and stickier) it will work better. Until then go softer on the front bar.
CJBinder, TBatt, Brendan and 1 others like this.
DR_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 12:10 PM   #12 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Columbus OH
Posts: 612
Drives: Z34|C4LT4|C6Z06|V25
Rep Power: 3366
POS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond reputePOS VETT has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Set the front bar to full soft and rear to full stiff. Try again.
TBatt likes this.
POS VETT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2015, 08:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Omaha NE
Posts: 272
Drives: 09 370Z PG M6
Rep Power: 25
CJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond reputeCJBinder has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Thanks guys going to soft for now. The sad thing is I just bought brand new front tires! I will be moving out of b stock since I am getting air intakes plus oil cooler and 4.08 rear gear soon.

Really appreciate all the information!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Injen cold air intakes, Ported upper and lower manifolds, OS Giken LSD, F1 Long Tube Headers, Magnaflow CBE. Natural Baby
CJBinder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2015, 01:14 AM   #14 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hinckley IL
Posts: 228
Drives: 2012 370Z, '16 Miata
Rep Power: 14
Zauskycop will become famous soon enough
Default

Wow...right up to...ASP? Or is that SM2? Not sure on the rear gear...may be a EM?
Zauskycop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2015, 07:46 AM   #15 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
gomer_110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Perrysburg, OH
Posts: 17,992
Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM
Rep Power: 36941
gomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond reputegomer_110 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Last I knew I believe rear gear sends the 370Z to F-Prepared. If the OP wants to be competitive, doing the rear gear is a bad idea. As a couple of the top FP cars in the country are local to me, I can say there's no way the 370Z can compete. At least not without spending an absurd amount of money.
__________________
'11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions | Stillen | Motordyne | Uprev | CSF | Zspeed | Z1 Motorsports | AST | Swift | SPC | SPL | Whiteline | Hotchkis | Bride | Schroth | Robispec | Cusco | Nismo | Volk | Forgestar | Hoosier | RJM
'17 Titan Bone Stock
gomer_110 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
push start Jimbo370 Nissan 370Z General Discussions 12 06-03-2015 10:25 AM
GTR Push Button jshare1 MAZOC 4 02-11-2015 05:57 PM
Push FI exhaust tips out. Z4TONY Intake/Exhaust 0 10-26-2014 09:07 AM
Can the 370Z be push started? tjlazer Engine & Drivetrain 34 07-27-2013 03:02 PM
Autocross beginner needs new street/autocross tires Bondfire Track / Autocross / Drifting / Dragstrip 17 04-20-2012 11:35 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2