Hotchkis sway bar question.

Spooler · 07-07-2015, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Breakin it down to the bear essentials:
1. More front is better and for performance driving there is no such thing as too much front bar.
2. How much rear bar is dependent on your driving style, suspension and type of driving. As a general rule, too much rear bar can make the Z tail happy.

Good luck with getting this stuff dialed in. It will take some time to get it right, but that is what makes it fun!!!

I hear ya. I want it to be like my 75 280zt. On a banked off ramp it sticks like glue so good that it will actually snap your head to the outside of the turn.

Got a ticket for going 78mph that day at the exit of the off ramp. Oops, those were the crazy days. It was a banked loop.

Zauskycop · 07-07-2015, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Breakin it down to the bear essentials:
1. More front is better and for performance driving there is no such thing as too much front bar.
2. How much rear bar is dependent on your driving style, suspension and type of driving. As a general rule, too much rear bar can make the Z tail happy.

Good luck with getting this stuff dialed in. It will take some time to get it right, but that is what makes it fun!!!

There IS such a thing as too much front bar. Trust me. You DO understand that a sway bar is doing the right thing, but solving it the wrong way...correct?

Tracy Ramsey

Hotrodz · 07-07-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zauskycop

There IS such a thing as too much front bar. Trust me. You DO understand that a sway bar is doing the right thing, but solving it the wrong way...correct?

Tracy Ramsey

Come on now...if you read through all the threads on this forum regarding front sway bar and tracking (road racing) and autoX one thing rings true regardless of other suspension set up and sticky tires and that is you can not buy a front bar that is to stiff. The pros all make their own!!! If you are DD and only drive the car spiritedly, then you don't need to go to extremes that are being pointed out here, but any Z's handling will benefit from more front bar!!! Try it you will like it....

Rusty · 07-07-2015, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

The rear makes all the difference. People who tell you otherwise are misinformed or have not actually run Hotchkis and are parroting (repeating) something they have heard.

Run the rears in the middle position.

onzedge™ has written

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Originally Posted by Rusty

You're full of chit!

There is only 2 holes on each side on mine.

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I'm going to eat some crow now.

Looked at my journal. And I have pictures that show 3 holes per side.

Anyone got some salt and pepper?

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Please to double-check, Rusty-san.

There are indeed three holes per side.

I did.

GSS138 · 07-07-2015, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I did.

I have heard there are 2 different version of the Hotchkiss sway bar. The original being the more stiff. It's possible a later version "Hotchkiss2" is not as stiff and maybe has fewer holes in it?

I have run the Stillen front full stiff and no rear bar for a little under a year. Very happy with the setup. I have just switched to a Godspeed front(don't know the numbers but people have said that it is on par or stiffer than the Hotchkiss1). I have yet to track it but will be going a week from Saturday so can provide some feedback then. On a small tangent I can comment that the Godspeed front is well designed, fits much better than the stillen ever did. The thing is a heavy beast.

For the record the stillen front and OEM rear are imo as much bar as you woud ever need for street driving. The big no no is to just not run anything greater than oem rear, will give you some nasty snap oversteer in my experience.

Zauskycop · 07-07-2015, 06:19 PM

I have a stiffer front bar and I am perfectly happy with it. I run a Whiteline front on full stiff, and a stock rear bar. I also don't race on race tires with the car, which in itself would desire a stiffer bar. It is all in the application which determines how big of a bar you will need. But if you run a monstrous front bar on the car, then you better be ready to either have tires which can handle it, or be prepared to have a very understeering car.

Rusty · 07-07-2015, 06:29 PM

I haven't heard of 2 different versions of the bar. Maybe someone else has.

onzedge · 07-07-2015, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I did.

Here is a shot of the rear Hotchkis as mounted on my 2013 370Z. Please note the presence of 3 (three) holes).

onzedge · 07-07-2015, 06:40 PM

onzedge · 07-07-2015, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I did.

I am not longer full of chit as you so colorfully sated in one of your earlier posts.

Apology accepted.

Dwnshift · 07-07-2015, 06:45 PM

Its all about power down

We have no push.

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Rusty · 07-07-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

I am not longer full of chit as you so colorfully sated in one of your earlier posts.

Apology accepted.

You're golden.

Hotrodz · 07-07-2015, 06:55 PM

That is the deal for those of us that are boosted. More bar is necessary at over 500whp and torque!

Great job WG buy the way, to bad it rained!

Brendan · 07-07-2015, 07:06 PM

What is the front sway doing in the case of the Z that makes it so beneficial? I was always under the impression that a stiffer front sway would induce understeer. I am asking specifically in the context of autocross which is my chosen performance diving venue.

Red__Zed · 07-07-2015, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendan

What is the front sway doing in the case of the Z that makes it so beneficial? I was always under the impression that a stiffer front sway would induce understeer. I am asking specifically in the context of autocross which is my chosen performance diving venue.

Because this is what happens even with a stiffer (Stillen) front bar:

sway bars....

You gotta get the tires facing the right direction first, with a big bar and camber.

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