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AK370Z 03-06-2015 06:21 AM

Autox Pad recommendation: Has anyone tried CarboTech AX6?
 
So I was wondering, what pad are you guys running for autox events? Didn't find much on these on the forum which is making me question them. I know aggressive pads are out the window due to ice mode and abs being not happy. I also know that many national level drivers simply use oem pad.. I am currently on StopTech Street Perf. pad .. They are not bad at all. However, they are coming up to almost 2.5 years of use so I know they might be done. So I was wondering if there's a pad that autox friendly? I hated stock akebono and felt they weren't adequate but again, in autox, you don't need to brake much. I stumbled upon these AX6 pads that made for autox. Any personal experience on them? I know some (non Z owners) told me about HP+ but I dunno.. they seem too grabby for autox (small 60s autox course may not generate enough heat to make them very effective).

So lets hear your recommendation for autox only pad? Thanks



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Carbotech™ AX6™

The AX6™ is specifically engineered for Autocross applications. A high torque brake compound delivering reliable and consistent performance over a very wide operating temperature range of 50°F to 1000°F + (10°C to 537°C+). The advanced compound matrix provides an excellent initial bite, high coefficient of friction at lower temperatures along with very progressive brake modulation and release characteristics. Many drivers use the AX6™ for street driving as well, even though Carbotech™ doesn't recommend street driving with AX6™ due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise. AX6™ is NOT recommended as a race compound in most applications.

cruzthepug 03-06-2015 06:27 AM

I talked to the guys at Z1 and ended up getting a set of Hawk HP+, FedEx shows them out for delivery today.

gomer_110 03-06-2015 06:54 AM

I run carbotech pads on mine for autox. XP10's up front and XP8's in the rear. Never had a problem with ice mode on slicks or on street tires. The increase in braking performance over the stock pads was insane.

PharmDZ 03-06-2015 07:52 AM

Oh yeah Gomer? I have a set of those for HPDE I was gonna use and thought they needed to heat up more but if that's the case maybe I'll give them a try. Used Yellow stuff most of last year and I liked them.

gomer_110 03-06-2015 09:45 AM

After I got them mid season last year, I had basically had to relearn proper braking so I wasn't scrubbing off more speed than I meant to.

03threefiftyz 03-06-2015 11:48 AM

I always used pads with as little bite as I could....of course you don't need to really ever slow down in a full tilt BSP car.

Mostly used the stoptech pads the last few years.

Z1NONLY 03-06-2015 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cruzthepug (Post 3129917)
I talked to the guys at Z1 and ended up getting a set of Hawk HP+, FedEx shows them out for delivery today.


I run and like the HP+'s on my 350Z. (They dust like crazy though)

GSS138 03-06-2015 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz (Post 3130296)
I always used pads with as little bite as I could....of course you don't need to really ever slow down in a full tilt BSP car.

Mostly used the stoptech pads the last few years.

Hey 350, I was sort of under the impression that guys in AutoX liked really bitey pads. So surprised to hear that. If that is the case, have any of you guys tried Endless MX-72's in autoX? I would not consider them bitey at all, they are very linear and smooth(great for trail braking which I don't think you guys do much) but just wondering what autoX guys think about the MX72 in general.

Tadpole 03-06-2015 09:08 PM

I autox my first time with oem in a base Z. An occasional tap here and there is about it Well at least so far. Don't worry about your pads unless they are in need of replacement. Oem is fine.

14BlackCherry 03-07-2015 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 3129906)
So I was wondering, what pad are you guys running for autox events? Didn't find much on these on the forum which is making me question them. I know aggressive pads are out the window due to ice mode and abs being not happy. I also know that many national level drivers simply use oem pad.. I am currently on StopTech Street Perf. pad .. They are not bad at all. However, they are coming up to almost 2.5 years of use so I know they might be done. So I was wondering if there's a pad that autox friendly? I hated stock akebono and felt they weren't adequate but again, in autox, you don't need to brake much. I stumbled upon these AX6 pads that made for autox. Any personal experience on them? I know some (non Z owners) told me about HP+ but I dunno.. they seem too grabby for autox (small 60s autox course may not generate enough heat to make them very effective).

So lets hear your recommendation for autox only pad? Thanks

I experienced "Ice Mode" at Nats last year running the HP+ on all four corners. Even rolling onto the brake pedal would induce it. I had some of my buddies drive the car too, because I thought it was me. Thanks to Mr. Stuart for helping me with this by sharing his experiences. On the street the are pads are fine but loud due to the lower temps under braking. Like the others said there's a lot of brake dust. I would probably just go with OEM pads.

I run OEM in the fronts now and still hit ice mode maybe once during an event now. We run on concrete and asphalt, the concrete seems to induce ice mode more.

Hope this helps.

PharmDZ 03-07-2015 08:10 AM

Had the same issue BlackCherry, just took a few events for it to start happening. That's when I switched back to OEM for a bit which seemed to help. I like the yellow stuff pads. Seem less aggressive than the hp+ but moreso than OEM.

AK370Z 03-09-2015 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz (Post 3130296)
I always used pads with as little bite as I could....of course you don't need to really ever slow down in a full tilt BSP car.
Mostly used the stoptech pads the last few years.

That's what I hear. I have them on my Z now and honestly, perfect possible pad. Quiet, decent initial bite, predictable - honestly no complain. Stoptech is still a very good contender. Only reason I was looking at something else is bc Z is pretty much full autox car now. maybe 30% daily driving (thanks to my truck). So I was thinking "maybe" there's a dedicated autox pad that's Z friendly. thank for the input btw. I randomly see your name pop up here and there. If we both attend same autox venue, feel free to come say :hello:


Quote:

Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 3129955)
I run carbotech pads on mine for autox. XP10's up front and XP8's in the rear. Never had a problem with ice mode on slicks or on street tires. The increase in braking performance over the stock pads was insane.

Very interesting Gomer.. I would think X10 or even 8 would be too much bite, but i guess it worked for you. I def. agree about stock pads being garbage. Seriously, I have a list of things Nissan need to make sure they have before they release the next Z (a mechanical diff is sitting at no. 1 haha :tup: ).



Quote:

Originally Posted by 14BlackCherry (Post 3130900)
I experienced "Ice Mode" at Nats last year running the HP+ on all four corners. Even rolling onto the brake pedal would induce it. I had some of my buddies drive the car too, because I thought it was me. Thanks to Mr. Stuart for helping me with this by sharing his experiences. On the street the are pads are fine but loud due to the lower temps under braking. Like the others said there's a lot of brake dust. I would probably just go with OEM pads.

I run OEM in the fronts now and still hit ice mode maybe once during an event now. We run on concrete and asphalt, the concrete seems to induce ice mode more.

Hope this helps.

Yes it does help. Thank you. Luckily I run more on asphalt so thank God. I think I remember your story hence I mentioned ice mode in first post. I know someone at national had the issue. Does Direzza Z2 induces more ice mode vs. other less grippy tires or that doesn't matter?

cossie1600 03-10-2015 03:55 PM

Xp8 gets you ice mode in bumpy service. If you want aggressive pads, the project my club racer seems to be working well. I also have something else in the bag that I don't have a chance to test

Mick_12Nismo 03-12-2015 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomer_110 (Post 3129955)
I run carbotech pads on mine for autox. XP10's up front and XP8's in the rear. Never had a problem with ice mode on slicks or on street tires. The increase in braking performance over the stock pads was insane.

AK, I run the same setup as Gomer for HPDE and LOVE the additional braking performance. I have not experienced any ice mode problems.

cruzthepug 03-22-2015 04:45 AM

Did Evo School yesterday, first time out with the Hawk pads. Didn't get ice mode while on course but did get it a couple of times at the finish.


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