Autox Pad recommendation: Has anyone tried CarboTech AX6?

AK370Z · 03-06-2015, 07:21 AM

So I was wondering, what pad are you guys running for autox events? Didn't find much on these on the forum which is making me question them. I know aggressive pads are out the window due to ice mode and abs being not happy. I also know that many national level drivers simply use oem pad.. I am currently on StopTech Street Perf. pad .. They are not bad at all. However, they are coming up to almost 2.5 years of use so I know they might be done. So I was wondering if there's a pad that autox friendly? I hated stock akebono and felt they weren't adequate but again, in autox, you don't need to brake much. I stumbled upon these AX6 pads that made for autox. Any personal experience on them? I know some (non Z owners) told me about HP+ but I dunno.. they seem too grabby for autox (small 60s autox course may not generate enough heat to make them very effective).

So lets hear your recommendation for autox only pad? Thanks

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Carbotech™ AX6™

The AX6™ is specifically engineered for Autocross applications. A high torque brake compound delivering reliable and consistent performance over a very wide operating temperature range of 50°F to 1000°F + (10°C to 537°C+). The advanced compound matrix provides an excellent initial bite, high coefficient of friction at lower temperatures along with very progressive brake modulation and release characteristics. Many drivers use the AX6™ for street driving as well, even though Carbotech™ doesn't recommend street driving with AX6™ due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise. AX6™ is NOT recommended as a race compound in most applications.

cruzthepug · 03-06-2015, 07:27 AM

I talked to the guys at Z1 and ended up getting a set of Hawk HP+, FedEx shows them out for delivery today.

gomer_110 · 03-06-2015, 07:54 AM

I run carbotech pads on mine for autox. XP10's up front and XP8's in the rear. Never had a problem with ice mode on slicks or on street tires. The increase in braking performance over the stock pads was insane.

PharmDZ · 03-06-2015, 08:52 AM

Oh yeah Gomer? I have a set of those for HPDE I was gonna use and thought they needed to heat up more but if that's the case maybe I'll give them a try. Used Yellow stuff most of last year and I liked them.

gomer_110 · 03-06-2015, 10:45 AM

After I got them mid season last year, I had basically had to relearn proper braking so I wasn't scrubbing off more speed than I meant to.

03threefiftyz · 03-06-2015, 12:48 PM

I always used pads with as little bite as I could....of course you don't need to really ever slow down in a full tilt BSP car.

Mostly used the stoptech pads the last few years.

Z1NONLY · 03-06-2015, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cruzthepug

I talked to the guys at Z1 and ended up getting a set of Hawk HP+, FedEx shows them out for delivery today.

I run and like the HP+'s on my 350Z. (They dust like crazy though)

GSS138 · 03-06-2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

I always used pads with as little bite as I could....of course you don't need to really ever slow down in a full tilt BSP car.

Mostly used the stoptech pads the last few years.

Hey 350, I was sort of under the impression that guys in AutoX liked really bitey pads. So surprised to hear that. If that is the case, have any of you guys tried Endless MX-72's in autoX? I would not consider them bitey at all, they are very linear and smooth(great for trail braking which I don't think you guys do much) but just wondering what autoX guys think about the MX72 in general.

Tadpole · 03-06-2015, 10:08 PM

I autox my first time with oem in a base Z. An occasional tap here and there is about it Well at least so far. Don't worry about your pads unless they are in need of replacement. Oem is fine.

14BlackCherry · 03-07-2015, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z

So I was wondering, what pad are you guys running for autox events? Didn't find much on these on the forum which is making me question them. I know aggressive pads are out the window due to ice mode and abs being not happy. I also know that many national level drivers simply use oem pad.. I am currently on StopTech Street Perf. pad .. They are not bad at all. However, they are coming up to almost 2.5 years of use so I know they might be done. So I was wondering if there's a pad that autox friendly? I hated stock akebono and felt they weren't adequate but again, in autox, you don't need to brake much. I stumbled upon these AX6 pads that made for autox. Any personal experience on them? I know some (non Z owners) told me about HP+ but I dunno.. they seem too grabby for autox (small 60s autox course may not generate enough heat to make them very effective).

So lets hear your recommendation for autox only pad? Thanks

I experienced "Ice Mode" at Nats last year running the HP+ on all four corners. Even rolling onto the brake pedal would induce it. I had some of my buddies drive the car too, because I thought it was me. Thanks to Mr. Stuart for helping me with this by sharing his experiences. On the street the are pads are fine but loud due to the lower temps under braking. Like the others said there's a lot of brake dust. I would probably just go with OEM pads.

I run OEM in the fronts now and still hit ice mode maybe once during an event now. We run on concrete and asphalt, the concrete seems to induce ice mode more.

Hope this helps.

PharmDZ · 03-07-2015, 09:10 AM

Had the same issue BlackCherry, just took a few events for it to start happening. That's when I switched back to OEM for a bit which seemed to help. I like the yellow stuff pads. Seem less aggressive than the hp+ but moreso than OEM.

AK370Z · 03-09-2015, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz

I always used pads with as little bite as I could....of course you don't need to really ever slow down in a full tilt BSP car.
Mostly used the stoptech pads the last few years.

That's what I hear. I have them on my Z now and honestly, perfect possible pad. Quiet, decent initial bite, predictable - honestly no complain. Stoptech is still a very good contender. Only reason I was looking at something else is bc Z is pretty much full autox car now. maybe 30% daily driving (thanks to my truck). So I was thinking "maybe" there's a dedicated autox pad that's Z friendly. thank for the input btw. I randomly see your name pop up here and there. If we both attend same autox venue, feel free to come say

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Originally Posted by gomer_110

I run carbotech pads on mine for autox. XP10's up front and XP8's in the rear. Never had a problem with ice mode on slicks or on street tires. The increase in braking performance over the stock pads was insane.

Very interesting Gomer.. I would think X10 or even 8 would be too much bite, but i guess it worked for you. I def. agree about stock pads being garbage. Seriously, I have a list of things Nissan need to make sure they have before they release the next Z (a mechanical diff is sitting at no. 1 haha

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Originally Posted by 14BlackCherry

I experienced "Ice Mode" at Nats last year running the HP+ on all four corners. Even rolling onto the brake pedal would induce it. I had some of my buddies drive the car too, because I thought it was me. Thanks to Mr. Stuart for helping me with this by sharing his experiences. On the street the are pads are fine but loud due to the lower temps under braking. Like the others said there's a lot of brake dust. I would probably just go with OEM pads.

I run OEM in the fronts now and still hit ice mode maybe once during an event now. We run on concrete and asphalt, the concrete seems to induce ice mode more.

Hope this helps.

Yes it does help. Thank you. Luckily I run more on asphalt so thank God. I think I remember your story hence I mentioned ice mode in first post. I know someone at national had the issue. Does Direzza Z2 induces more ice mode vs. other less grippy tires or that doesn't matter?

cossie1600 · 03-10-2015, 04:55 PM

Xp8 gets you ice mode in bumpy service. If you want aggressive pads, the project my club racer seems to be working well. I also have something else in the bag that I don't have a chance to test

Mick_12Nismo · 03-12-2015, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110

I run carbotech pads on mine for autox. XP10's up front and XP8's in the rear. Never had a problem with ice mode on slicks or on street tires. The increase in braking performance over the stock pads was insane.

AK, I run the same setup as Gomer for HPDE and LOVE the additional braking performance. I have not experienced any ice mode problems.

cruzthepug · 03-22-2015, 05:45 AM

Did Evo School yesterday, first time out with the Hawk pads. Didn't get ice mode while on course but did get it a couple of times at the finish.

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03-06-2015, 07:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
cruzthepug Base Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 245 Drives: 2014 370Z Touring Rep Power: 11	I talked to the guys at Z1 and ended up getting a set of Hawk HP+, FedEx shows them out for delivery today. __________________ Ark Performance / Eibach / Forgestar (CF10's Daily, F14's Race)/ Project Kics / K&N / Z1 / TWM Performance / RJM Performance / Koni / Hawk Performance

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gomer_110 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perrysburg, OH Posts: 17,992 Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM Rep Power: 36941	I run carbotech pads on mine for autox. XP10's up front and XP8's in the rear. Never had a problem with ice mode on slicks or on street tires. The increase in braking performance over the stock pads was insane. AK370Z likes this. __________________ '11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Uprev \| CSF \| Zspeed \| Z1 Motorsports \| AST \| Swift \| SPC \| SPL \| Whiteline \| Hotchkis \| Bride \| Schroth \| Robispec \| Cusco \| Nismo \| Volk \| Forgestar \| Hoosier \| RJM '17 Titan Bone Stock

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gomer_110 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perrysburg, OH Posts: 17,992 Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM Rep Power: 36941	After I got them mid season last year, I had basically had to relearn proper braking so I wasn't scrubbing off more speed than I meant to. __________________ '11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Uprev \| CSF \| Zspeed \| Z1 Motorsports \| AST \| Swift \| SPC \| SPL \| Whiteline \| Hotchkis \| Bride \| Schroth \| Robispec \| Cusco \| Nismo \| Volk \| Forgestar \| Hoosier \| RJM '17 Titan Bone Stock

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03threefiftyz Track Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: MD Posts: 536 Drives: 03 350z 6mt Rep Power: 16	I always used pads with as little bite as I could....of course you don't need to really ever slow down in a full tilt BSP car. Mostly used the stoptech pads the last few years. AK370Z, PharmDZ and Brendan like this.

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Tadpole A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lockhart, TX Posts: 1,082 Drives: 13 Nissan 370Z A7 Rep Power: 18	I autox my first time with oem in a base Z. An occasional tap here and there is about it Well at least so far. Don't worry about your pads unless they are in need of replacement. Oem is fine. AK370Z and Brendan like this. __________________ Takeda TR3009P Short Ram Intakes, Custom Dual Exhaust, X-Piped with 18" Resonators & TopSpeed Axle Backs. EVO-R Led Third Foglight,

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PharmDZ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 997 Drives: 11 Nissan 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 14	Oh yeah Gomer? I have a set of those for HPDE I was gonna use and thought they needed to heat up more but if that's the case maybe I'll give them a try. Used Yellow stuff most of last year and I liked them.

03-07-2015, 09:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
PharmDZ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 997 Drives: 11 Nissan 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 14	Had the same issue BlackCherry, just took a few events for it to start happening. That's when I switched back to OEM for a bit which seemed to help. I like the yellow stuff pads. Seem less aggressive than the hp+ but moreso than OEM.

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	Xp8 gets you ice mode in bumpy service. If you want aggressive pads, the project my club racer seems to be working well. I also have something else in the bag that I don't have a chance to test

03-22-2015, 05:45 AM	#15 (permalink)
cruzthepug Base Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 245 Drives: 2014 370Z Touring Rep Power: 11	Did Evo School yesterday, first time out with the Hawk pads. Didn't get ice mode while on course but did get it a couple of times at the finish. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk PharmDZ likes this. __________________ Ark Performance / Eibach / Forgestar (CF10's Daily, F14's Race)/ Project Kics / K&N / Z1 / TWM Performance / RJM Performance / Koni / Hawk Performance

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