2014 NFL Thread

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Not really. They're 1 for 2. Carr sucked, but he also got PTSD from getting hit one step into a three step drop on every single passing play for five years. We broke Carr. In an alternate universe where he was kept upright, he could have been mediocre.

Mario was the best pick out of the top three that year. Would we have rather had Vince Young or Reggie Bush? Mediocre running back or poster child for "How not to succeed in the NFL and at life"? Mario did fine, and he did pretty well in Buffalo after his wrist got operated on. Was he worth $100 mil? Hell no.

Houston is 0 for 2 IMO. Williams' first few years were an acceptable performance for an overall #1 draft pick. Since 2009 he's been pretty unspectacular. Overpaid for sure.

[Chuck33079]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Houston is 0 for 2 IMO. Williams' first few years were an acceptable performance for an overall #1 draft pick. Since 2009 he's been pretty unspectacular. Overpaid for sure.

He was hurt pretty much the whole time, wasn't he? The full seasons he had were all double digit sacks, he just couldn't stay healthy if I'm remembering correctly.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

He was hurt pretty much the whole time, wasn't he? The full seasons he had were all double digit sacks, he just couldn't stay healthy if I'm remembering correctly.

I think he was lost for the season starting in 2010. In 2009 he missed a few games, but the team actually had better defensive stats with him off the roster that year.

I'm not saying the guy wasn't good or isn't still good. I think I'm trying to say that he didn't perform adequately for Houston considering his draft status. Then again... how many #1 overall picks live up to the hype. Jamarcus Russell? Sam Bradford?

[Chuck33079]

Originally Posted by JARblue

I think he was lost for the season starting in 2010. In 2009 he missed a few games, but the team actually had better defensive stats with him off the roster that year.

I'm not saying the guy wasn't good or isn't still good. I think I'm trying to say that he didn't perform adequately for Houston considering his draft status. Then again... how many #1 overall picks live up to the hype. Jamarcus Russell? Sam Bradford?

The #1 pick is pretty much a death sentence. Luck has had a couple good years, but before that I'm trying to remember the last guy who was really worth the money. Peyton?

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The #1 pick is pretty much a death sentence. Luck has had a couple good years, but before that I'm trying to remember the last guy who was really worth the money. Peyton?

That would be my answer. Peyton has 11 Pro Bowls. Vick and Jake Long have 4. Eli and Williams have 3. Cam has 2 and some potential, but the jury is still out IMO. Luck has one but is in the same boat as Cam.

[Chuck33079]

Originally Posted by JARblue

That would be my answer. Peyton has 11 Pro Bowls. Vick and Jake Long have 4. Eli and Williams have 3. Cam has 2 and some potential, but the jury is still out IMO. Luck has one but is in the same boat as Cam.

Eh, physically maybe. Cam is a crybaby who never faced any adversity before the NFL.

Vick is a outlier since he spent some time in prison. Otherwise he might be on that list. Or he might have just spent more time on IR. Eli's got rings, so maybe he's the best on the list?

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Eh, physically maybe. Cam is a crybaby who never faced any adversity before the NFL.

Vick is a outlier since he spent some time in prison. Otherwise he might be on that list. Or he might have just spent more time on IR. Eli's got rings, so maybe he's the best on the list?

The only thing I'll say about Cam is that he seems to have grown up tremendously in the last year. At least his attitude seems to have improved. Jury is still out on his skill level. Luck appears to have the skills; he just needs a couple more years so we can judge his consistency.

Eli is all over the place. Watching his play the past couple of years, I cannot agree that he is the best. Trent Dilfer doesn't get credit for being a good QB because he has SB rings. Vick is probably the best out of that group, and that says a lot when you factor in years of jail time.

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Lot of big moves happening this offseason.