2014 NFL Thread

Chuck33079 · 03-13-2014, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Houston is 0 for 2 IMO. Williams' first few years were an acceptable performance for an overall #1 draft pick. Since 2009 he's been pretty unspectacular. Overpaid for sure.

He was hurt pretty much the whole time, wasn't he? The full seasons he had were all double digit sacks, he just couldn't stay healthy if I'm remembering correctly.

JARblue · 03-13-2014, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

He was hurt pretty much the whole time, wasn't he? The full seasons he had were all double digit sacks, he just couldn't stay healthy if I'm remembering correctly.

I think he was lost for the season starting in 2010. In 2009 he missed a few games, but the team actually had better defensive stats with him off the roster that year.

I'm not saying the guy wasn't good or isn't still good. I think I'm trying to say that he didn't perform adequately for Houston considering his draft status. Then again... how many #1 overall picks live up to the hype. Jamarcus Russell? Sam Bradford?

Haboob · 03-13-2014, 08:57 AM

Nope. Baseball is about to start (< 10 days for the Dbacks' regular season opener).

I don't care to think about throwball (NFL) until about August for the fantasy draft.

Chuck33079 · 03-13-2014, 09:19 AM

Yeah, every time someone claims you need an elite QB to win in the NFL, I'm obligated to point out Dilfer and Brad Johnson have exactly as many rings as Peyton Manning and more than Dan Marino. Hell, Rex ******* Grossman has a better playoff record than how many of the current $100 mil contract guys?

XiP · 03-13-2014, 09:25 AM

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Chuck33079 · 03-13-2014, 09:49 AM

Cam's screwed now that he has no one to throw to. No Steve, no wins, more Cam sitting on the bench with a towel over his head. I can't imagine grown *** men looking at that spoiled brat wanting to follow him into battle, physical ability be damned.

Luck has the potential to be great. He's got the tools and the mindset. He still throws some bonehead passes and got lucky with defenders dropping a lot of would-be picks last year.

And in Eli's defense (and I really threw him in the mix as a joke), he did win one SB. As in, he grabbed his nuts and won the game (with some minor assistance from David Tyree). Trent Dilfer was on a team that won the SB.

JARblue · 03-13-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Cam's screwed now that he has no one to throw to. No Steve, no wins, more Cam sitting on the bench with a towel over his head. I can't imagine grown *** men looking at that spoiled brat wanting to follow him into battle, physical ability be damned.

Luck has the potential to be great. He's got the tools and the mindset. He still throws some bonehead passes and got lucky with defenders dropping a lot of would-be picks last year.

And in Eli's defense (and I really threw him in the mix as a joke), he did win one SB. As in, he grabbed his nuts and won the game (with some minor assistance from David Tyree). Trent Dilfer was on a team that won the SB.

Fair enough on Cam. I didn't see him sitting on the bench with the towel over his head as much last year, but that certainly doesn't make him a leader.

That's what makes Eli so weird. The fact that he stepped up and made $hit happen on the biggest stage just screams clutch. But then the guy has years like the past three where he seems to throw more INTs than TDs

Chuck33079 · 03-13-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

That's what makes Eli so weird. The fact that he stepped up and made $hit happen on the biggest stage just screams clutch. But then the guy has years like the past three where he seems to throw more INTs and TDs

He spent last year on his back. I think Coughlin needs to hang it up and they need a GM too. They've done an atrocious job of finding and retaining talent. I think a lot of the Eli hate is just because he's in NY. Either you hate NY teams as a rule, or you're a fan and everybody's a bum because there was a guy years ago who was better. Not to mention the massive hardon ESPN gets from anything NY whether it's wins or losses.

I'm not a huge Eli fan, but in his tenure as the starter in NY they've won two SBs. Brady only has one more SB win and two more SB losses and he's the second coming of Christ. And none of those SB wins happened after they got caught cheating.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-13-2014, 10:04 AM

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He spent last year on his back. I think Coughlin needs to hang it up and they need a GM too. They've done an atrocious job of finding and retaining talent. I think a lot of the Eli hate is just because he's in NY. Either you hate NY teams as a rule, or you're a fan and everybody's a bum because there was a guy years ago who was better. Not to mention the massive hardon ESPN gets from anything NY whether it's wins or losses.

I'm not a huge Eli fan, but in his tenure as the starter in NY they've won two SBs. Brady only has one more SB win and two more SB losses and he's the second coming of Christ. And none of those SB wins happened after they got caught cheating.

He could have won two post cheating SBs if it wasn't for one freak helmet catch and a drop by Welker.

Chuck33079 · 03-13-2014, 10:06 AM

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He could have won two post cheating SBs if it wasn't for one freak helmet catch and a drop by Welker.

Coulda woulda shoulda.

He's got three SB rings, makes a fortune, and his Brazilian super model wife makes more money than he does. I will never have any sympathy for the guy.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-13-2014, 10:01 AM

Eli is either good or terrible, there's no middle ground for him. He can't carry a team like the elite QB's do, but he can make plays if he has a great defense supporting him.

Chuck33079 · 03-13-2014, 10:03 AM

He got all of the "clutch" in the Manning family, and Peyton got all of the "regular season greatness".

JARblue · 03-13-2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

He got all of the "clutch" in the Manning family, and Peyton got all of the "regular season greatness".

No kidding!

b1adesofcha0s · 03-13-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

He got all of the "clutch" in the Manning family, and Peyton got all of the "regular season greatness".

If you combine the two, you get Brady with 3 rings

bdavis89 · 03-13-2014, 11:35 AM

Man I HATE john elway. I was sooooo happy when they got destroyed by Seattle.

Hoping my Jags can be more competitive this year, we've made some decent pickups in the rebuilding effort.

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Cam's screwed now that he has no one to throw to. No Steve, no wins, more Cam sitting on the bench with a towel over his head. I can't imagine grown *** men looking at that spoiled brat wanting to follow him into battle, physical ability be damned. Luck has the potential to be great. He's got the tools and the mindset. He still throws some bonehead passes and got lucky with defenders dropping a lot of would-be picks last year. And in Eli's defense (and I really threw him in the mix as a joke), he did win one SB. As in, he grabbed his nuts and won the game (with some minor assistance from David Tyree). Trent Dilfer was on a team that won the SB. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	He got all of the "clutch" in the Manning family, and Peyton got all of the "regular season greatness". b1adesofcha0s likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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