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Originally Posted by lt_370z

Kobe not a leader?? are you kidding?? he led the Lakers to 3 straight finals WITHOUT SHAQ and won 2 of them.

Kobe a terrible teammate?? He averages 27 5 5 throughout most of his career.

Kobe a ball hog?? Yeah he "used" to be...but Kobe has been a much more mature player the last 5 years or so.

Kobe has terrible shooting stats?? Yeah, the man shoots the ball a lot but i think his FG is 45% and his FT is 83%. Thats not "terrible" if you ask me. Jeremy Lin's FG% is the definition of terrible.

Kobe got gifted 3 rings by Shaq?? Wow, I guess the 27-30 points Kobe averaged in the playoffs during that 3-peat had no affect on the outcome of any of those rings. I've said this probably a million times in my lifetime. Shaq couldn't have won without Kobe and Kobe couldn't have won without Shaq (that's why its called a team). Go back and watch the tapes my friend you will see that Shaq was benched a lot during the 4th quarter of playoff games because of the "Hack a Shaq" rule.

Kobe is closer to Carmelo than Jordan?? Is this real...? You just critizied Kobe's terrible shooting...here is a little stat i thought you might like to know. Kobe and Carmelo both shoot .45% FG throughout their whole career BUT......Kobe shoots 83% FT. Carmelo shoots 80% FT.

Here is more details on Kobe vs Carmelo....
Career averages for Kobe Bryant:
25 points (this is considering he sat on the bench his first 2 years)
5 assists
5 rebounds
1.5 steals

Career averages for Carmelo Anthony:
25 points
3 assists
6 rebounds
1 steal


Lebron might have a better clutch shot % but if you ask 100 non bias people who is more clutch Lebron or Kobe...I guarantee you 90% would say Kobe.


Please shed more light as to why LeBron is closer to Jordan than Kobe? Just because he has better stats? If that is the case then Wilt Chamberlin is the GOAT. Kobe has won 5/7 NBA FINALS! LeBron has won 1/3 (swept in 1st finals by the Spurs) and has 1 pending tomorrow so it could either be 1/4 or 2/4. Even if he wins this one Kobe has done way more than Lebron at this point to be recognized as the closest player to MJ. LeBron has the POTENTIAL to be the next best thing since Jordan but at this stage in his career he can not top Kobe. When his career is finished then we will have a better comparison.

Being a terrible teammate doesn't have anything to do with your numbers. It just means you are an *******. Which connects directly to being a leader...

Used to be a ball hog? If Kobe had continued to pass like he did in the beginning of this season, they probably would have had a better record this season. And probably previous seasons as well.

If you took Shaq during his LA ring years, and put him on any of the other top 7 teams during those years, the probability of a Finals win is high. If you do the same thing with Kobe, the likelyhood drops dramatically. Besides, Shaq was considered the most dominant player in each of those 3 years. Shaq was not benched during those times, as has been said by Phil Jackson, his presence on the floor outweighed his poor free throw shooting. Further, Shaq's numbers go up in each of the playoff ring years from the regular season, where Kobe's goes down.

Kobe vs Carmelo. I think your numbers actually proved my point.

As far as people saying Kobe is more clutch even though the numbers prove that is definitively wrong, isn't that the very definition of overrated?