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[Caustic]

Originally Posted by lt_370z

I would have to disagree with you and say that Kobe is the best since Jordan.

Originally Posted by ZMan8

CRAZY TALK!

Considering he is not a leader. Terrible teamate. Ball hog. Terrible shooting stats. And Shaq gifted him 3 rings. No. He is closer to Carmelo than Jordan. And I am a Knicks fan.

James beats him in virtually every statistical category including clutch shots. All except rings. Cause Robert Horry is the GOAT!

[lt_370z]

Originally Posted by Caustic

CRAZY TALK!

Considering he is not a leader. Terrible teamate. Ball hog. Terrible shooting stats. And Shaq gifted him 3 rings. No. He is closer to Carmelo than Jordan. And I am a Knicks fan.

James beats him in virtually every statistical category including clutch shots. All except rings. Cause Robert Horry is the GOAT!

Kobe not a leader?? are you kidding?? he led the Lakers to 3 straight finals WITHOUT SHAQ and won 2 of them.

Kobe a terrible teammate?? He averages 27 5 5 throughout most of his career.

Kobe a ball hog?? Yeah he "used" to be...but Kobe has been a much more mature player the last 5 years or so.

Kobe has terrible shooting stats?? Yeah, the man shoots the ball a lot but i think his FG is 45% and his FT is 83%. Thats not "terrible" if you ask me. Jeremy Lin's FG% is the definition of terrible.

Kobe got gifted 3 rings by Shaq?? Wow, I guess the 27-30 points Kobe averaged in the playoffs during that 3-peat had no affect on the outcome of any of those rings. I've said this probably a million times in my lifetime. Shaq couldn't have won without Kobe and Kobe couldn't have won without Shaq (that's why its called a team). Go back and watch the tapes my friend you will see that Shaq was benched a lot during the 4th quarter of playoff games because of the "Hack a Shaq" rule.

Kobe is closer to Carmelo than Jordan?? Is this real...? You just critizied Kobe's terrible shooting...here is a little stat i thought you might like to know. Kobe and Carmelo both shoot .45% FG throughout their whole career BUT......Kobe shoots 83% FT. Carmelo shoots 80% FT.

Here is more details on Kobe vs Carmelo....
Career averages for Kobe Bryant:
25 points (this is considering he sat on the bench his first 2 years)
5 assists
5 rebounds
1.5 steals

Career averages for Carmelo Anthony:
25 points
3 assists
6 rebounds
1 steal


Lebron might have a better clutch shot % but if you ask 100 non bias people who is more clutch Lebron or Kobe...I guarantee you 90% would say Kobe.


Please shed more light as to why LeBron is closer to Jordan than Kobe? Just because he has better stats? If that is the case then Wilt Chamberlin is the GOAT. Kobe has won 5/7 NBA FINALS! LeBron has won 1/3 (swept in 1st finals by the Spurs) and has 1 pending tomorrow so it could either be 1/4 or 2/4. Even if he wins this one Kobe has done way more than Lebron at this point to be recognized as the closest player to MJ. LeBron has the POTENTIAL to be the next best thing since Jordan but at this stage in his career he can not top Kobe. When his career is finished then we will have a better comparison.

[Caustic]

Originally Posted by lt_370z

Kobe not a leader?? are you kidding?? he led the Lakers to 3 straight finals WITHOUT SHAQ and won 2 of them.

Kobe a terrible teammate?? He averages 27 5 5 throughout most of his career.

Kobe a ball hog?? Yeah he "used" to be...but Kobe has been a much more mature player the last 5 years or so.

Kobe has terrible shooting stats?? Yeah, the man shoots the ball a lot but i think his FG is 45% and his FT is 83%. Thats not "terrible" if you ask me. Jeremy Lin's FG% is the definition of terrible.

Kobe got gifted 3 rings by Shaq?? Wow, I guess the 27-30 points Kobe averaged in the playoffs during that 3-peat had no affect on the outcome of any of those rings. I've said this probably a million times in my lifetime. Shaq couldn't have won without Kobe and Kobe couldn't have won without Shaq (that's why its called a team). Go back and watch the tapes my friend you will see that Shaq was benched a lot during the 4th quarter of playoff games because of the "Hack a Shaq" rule.

Kobe is closer to Carmelo than Jordan?? Is this real...? You just critizied Kobe's terrible shooting...here is a little stat i thought you might like to know. Kobe and Carmelo both shoot .45% FG throughout their whole career BUT......Kobe shoots 83% FT. Carmelo shoots 80% FT.

Here is more details on Kobe vs Carmelo....
Career averages for Kobe Bryant:
25 points (this is considering he sat on the bench his first 2 years)
5 assists
5 rebounds
1.5 steals

Career averages for Carmelo Anthony:
25 points
3 assists
6 rebounds
1 steal


Lebron might have a better clutch shot % but if you ask 100 non bias people who is more clutch Lebron or Kobe...I guarantee you 90% would say Kobe.


Please shed more light as to why LeBron is closer to Jordan than Kobe? Just because he has better stats? If that is the case then Wilt Chamberlin is the GOAT. Kobe has won 5/7 NBA FINALS! LeBron has won 1/3 (swept in 1st finals by the Spurs) and has 1 pending tomorrow so it could either be 1/4 or 2/4. Even if he wins this one Kobe has done way more than Lebron at this point to be recognized as the closest player to MJ. LeBron has the POTENTIAL to be the next best thing since Jordan but at this stage in his career he can not top Kobe. When his career is finished then we will have a better comparison.

Being a terrible teammate doesn't have anything to do with your numbers. It just means you are an *******. Which connects directly to being a leader...

Used to be a ball hog? If Kobe had continued to pass like he did in the beginning of this season, they probably would have had a better record this season. And probably previous seasons as well.

If you took Shaq during his LA ring years, and put him on any of the other top 7 teams during those years, the probability of a Finals win is high. If you do the same thing with Kobe, the likelyhood drops dramatically. Besides, Shaq was considered the most dominant player in each of those 3 years. Shaq was not benched during those times, as has been said by Phil Jackson, his presence on the floor outweighed his poor free throw shooting. Further, Shaq's numbers go up in each of the playoff ring years from the regular season, where Kobe's goes down.

Kobe vs Carmelo. I think your numbers actually proved my point.

As far as people saying Kobe is more clutch even though the numbers prove that is definitively wrong, isn't that the very definition of overrated?

[saber]

Miami probably would've won already if Wade and James stopped whining at the referees after every 'blown' call and hustled back on defense

[Caustic]

Originally Posted by saber

Miami probably would've won already if Wade and James stopped whining at the referees after every 'blown' call and hustled back on defense

Oh gawd that is so true. The complaining is way too much. I can't say the Heat are lazy, but its really obvious that the Spurs always get back on D, fast. They don't really take many possessions off like the Heat do.

[nmjaxx9]

Game 7 MUFUCKAS!!!!! Mines ish on record.

[saber]

^ you lost me at used to be a ball hog. As a Los Angelean I saw many a game where Kobe shot his team OUT of a game because he couldn't trust Dwight, and Pau was hurt.

[SAmilitaryman]

Living in San Antonio I wish basketball was over. God I hate basketball and this town has nothing but the spurs so add in a ton of morons and the spurs winning and i have been sitting at home scared to go out since the playoffs started for fear of drunk stupid morons on the road.

[red2010z]

I wonder if Jordan had this many haters to.

[Caustic]

Originally Posted by red2010z

I wonder if Jordan had this many haters to.

Gawd I hated Jordan. I despised the man. It wasn't until he retired, and the Knicks fell into obscurity for 12 years that I came to acknowledge just how good he was.

But I did watch as many games of him that I could. Hard to ignore greatness.

[red2010z]

And everyone wants to compare rings to lebron. Well hell when he is 35 lets see how many rings he has before everyone hates on him. LBJ is going to go down as one of the greatest. I hope and pray LBJ wins tomorrow just so I can see how the haters continue to cry and whine how he is a flaker.

[VQ370ZTT]

The Heat going to beat Spurs once and for all in Game 7.

[red2010z]

Speaking the truth!!

[lt_370z]

Don't get me wrong fellas...I like LBJ he is a great player no doubt and I give him all the credit in the world. But you gotta admit he almost blew game 6 in the final 2 mins he turned the ball over a couple times and took bad shots almost costing Heat the game. Although he did hit a huge 2nd attempt 3 and Ray Allen saved LBJ and hte heat from a huge amount of critisism. In the beginning of the Lakers season they were losing because they had no team chemistry and Kobe had to take over after the all star break. He guaranteed the playoffs and he did it. How is that not being a leader? Especially when they were SOOO far out of the playoff race before the all star break. Melo wont even be known as the best top 20 player when his career is said and done and never even made it pass the 2nd round of the playoffs...I think that argument is ridiculous. LBJ doesn't have the killer instinct Kobe does or the will to win. LBJ is too passive and he has been showing it this Finals. His superstar team has gotten blown out by SA twice and outplayed honestly.

[Rooster89]

Why are we talking about LBJ and Kobe being in the same goat boat as Jordan? Wait until they retire, then we can compare. But if I had to choose who to build a team around? Prime Kobe vs Prime LBJ, I would take prime kobe.