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Waiz 12-16-2011 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KingZee (Post 1451626)
They'll come up with something...they wouldn't waist a year of healthy Kobe, something they might be running out of, with a sh1tty team...will they?

I really hope not.

On a side note, I'm kinda excited about attending a few Clippers games this year :icon17:

dAvenue 12-16-2011 01:15 AM

...and Kobe wants to be traded again.

:facepalm:

KingZee 12-16-2011 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 1451717)
I really hope not.

On a side note, I'm kinda excited about attending a few Clippers games this year :icon17:

"Here at Lakers camp, I tell Bryant many fans now feel the Clippers are more exciting than the Lakers, and he shrugs.

''I agree," he said.

''You're being sarcastic," I said.

''No, I agree," he said. "I definitely would watch them."

Everyone's wondering about Lakers' direction, including Kobe Bryant - latimes.com

KingZee 12-16-2011 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1451446)
As acting owner of the Hornets, Stern had every right to not accept a trade he didn't like. Just like every owner in the league has a right to say 'no' to a trade that their GM proposes. However, if the reason Stern didn't accept the trade was because of the whiny small market owners, then I agree that the commissioner was wrong in not accepting the trade. But listening to Stern's explanation, I believe he just wanted a better deal than the Lakers trade proposal.

exactly what I'm talking about right here: For David Stern, questions about possible conflict of interest - latimes.com

nmjaxx9 12-16-2011 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1451446)
As acting owner of the Hornets, Stern had every right to not accept a trade he didn't like. Just like every owner in the league has a right to say 'no' to a trade that their GM proposes. However, if the reason Stern didn't accept the trade was because of the whiny small market owners, then I agree that the commissioner was wrong in not accepting the trade. But listening to Stern's explanation, I believe he just wanted a better deal than the Lakers trade proposal.

I disagree, even if he had the right to do it, it wasn't justified. He claims that Gilberts letter to him had no way influenced the cancellation of the trade. Really? Well, how is it that only a day after he got the letter he decided to cancel the trade, when the trade was actually going on for 3 days. So in the 2 days prior, he was actually getting things ready for the trade to go on. If he is going to be influenced by such things as angry letters, then I say he has no justification making decisions as the Commissioner of the NBA.

I think his rant about this had nothing to do with influencing my decsion, I had all this planned before is all bogus. He and a certain few could not stand the thought of Kobe and CP on the same team. Point blank.

nmjaxx9 12-16-2011 09:23 AM

This basically sums up what I mean Please read: :tiphat: Linda Kenney Baden: To David Stern: You Are Not God!

Rui Z 12-16-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nmjaxx9 (Post 1452024)
This basically sums up what I mean Please read: :tiphat: Linda Kenney Baden: To David Stern: You Are Not God!

That article is crap. Its too opinionated, sensationalized, and assumption based.

dAvenue 12-16-2011 11:49 AM

As the assumed owner of the Hornets, Stern acted within his means. It was simply a negotiation tactic to drive up the price for Paul. The Hornets ended up getting a much better deal with the lastest Clips offer than with their previous offers...including the Lakers. You're seeing the same thing play out with the Magic: deal is on with the Nets...oh wait deal's off...deal's back on...nope, nope, it's off again...etc. It's all in the name of getting the most value possible for your asset.

nmjaxx9 12-16-2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1452185)
That article is crap. Its too opinionated, sensationalized, and assumption based.

Well the truth is bitter, whether people accept it or not, that is what happened. So you're trying to say he didn't have other motives?

KingZee 12-16-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1452185)
That article is crap. Its too opinionated, sensationalized, and assumption based.

You can't deny that there's a bit of conflict of interest though

Rui Z 12-16-2011 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KingZee (Post 1452339)
You can't deny that there's a bit of conflict of interest though

I'm just saying that specific article is crap because it tries to create this web of conspiracy against the Lakers by assuming certain things. The writer is being sensational.

There was conflict of interest. I agree the NBA went about the whole trade situation wrong, but in the end I believe David Stern did what was best for the Hornets. David Stern should have told Dell Demps in the beginning, "Dell you have the power to negotiate and come up with good trades, but I have the final say on whether the trade should be accepted." There was a lack of communication. Also in hindsight, "basketball reasons" was the right reason to give at that moment. They didn't want to give the reasons (lower payroll, younger talent, more future potentials are better things for a potential new owner) back when they vetoed the Lakers trade, because that would have given more leverage to the Clippers.

KingZee 12-16-2011 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1452397)
I'm just saying that specific article is crap because it tries to create this web of conspiracy against the Lakers by assuming certain things. The writer is being sensational.

There was conflict of interest. I agree the NBA went about the whole trade situation wrong, but in the end I believe David Stern did what was best for the Hornets. David Stern should have told Dell Demps in the beginning, "Dell you have the power to negotiate and come up with good trades, but I have the final say on whether the trade should be accepted." There was a lack of communication. Also in hindsight, "basketball reasons" was the right reason to give at that moment. They didn't want to give the reasons (lower payroll, younger talent, more future potentials are better things for a potential new owner) back when they vetoed the Lakers trade, because that would have given more leverage to the Clippers.

I agree with you, didn't read that article so I wasn't really referencing it. I posted an LA Times article on the last page that I agree with as far as conflict of interest. Whether or not Stern's decision was good or bad for the hornets they dropped the ball and information got out before a "final decision" was made by the owner/league commissioner and possibly f'cked up the Lakers franchise for the sake of another (Hornets) that brings in much less revenue to the league.

Rui Z 12-16-2011 07:07 PM

Lakers drama continues.....Kobe divorcing

KingZee 12-16-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1452894)
Lakers drama continues.....Kobe divorcing

Just came on to post this but you beat me to it...fvck man, this was probably the last nail in the coffin for this season for the Lakers...Go Clippers?

nmjaxx9 12-16-2011 07:45 PM

Dam that sucks....hopefully it won't affect his playing...:ugh2:

nmjaxx9 12-16-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1452397)
I'm just saying that specific article is crap because it tries to create this web of conspiracy against the Lakers by assuming certain things. The writer is being sensational.

No actually its showing how David Stern has something against the Lakers...hence his trade decision cancellation

Here I quoted it for you:

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Now it gets interesting. Is there a deeper reason that Mr. Stern may harbor for punishing the Laker nation? Query: Whom does Derek Fisher play for? Answer: the Los Angeles Lakers. Hmmmm. In the law when an employer takes an untoward action against an employee who is union leader, whistleblower, or otherwise just a pain in the pants, the motivation for that action is often questionable and possibly actionable. Am I seeing a connect-the-dots painting? Is this about Derek Fisher's involvement in the strike? You remember you stated that Mr. Fisher leaked private information to the news media that were lies and also helped continue an unfair strike -- at least in the Stern opinion. Despite the fact that the negotiating team partly led by Derek Fisher was outmatched, they did not crumble. Fisher just represented the players' rights to his best abilities. It is too bad Dwayne Wade was not in Derek Fisher's position carrying out the players' desires, and then you could have attempted to get even with the Miami Heat.

Rui Z 12-16-2011 08:16 PM

If Chris Paul was on the Lakers, Derek Fisher would finally be able to fill the void that was created once Mark Madsen left.........Male Cheerleader. That trade would have ended Derek Fisher's career. David Stern would have let that trade go through if he wanted to get back at Fisher.

dAvenue 12-16-2011 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nmjaxx9 (Post 1452947)
No actually its showing how David Stern has something against the Lakers...hence his trade decision cancellation

Here I quoted it for you:

That's called conspiracy theory.

Rui Z 12-16-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dAvenue (Post 1453061)
That's called conspiracy theory.

yup

KingZee 12-16-2011 09:08 PM

Yeah I don't think this had anything to do with Fisher...that's just stupid and Stern might be a lot of things but he's not stupid.

lingling1211 12-16-2011 09:48 PM

Can't wait!!! <3 Kobe and the Lakers

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nmjaxx9 12-17-2011 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1453004)
If Chris Paul was on the Lakers, Derek Fisher would finally be able to fill the void that was created once Mark Madsen left.........Male Cheerleader. That trade would have ended Derek Fisher's career. David Stern would have let that trade go through if he wanted to get back at Fisher.

Its not about Fisher, more than it is about the whole Lakers organization, even Kobe stated:
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I think other owners did not want the Lakers to make significant improvements again," Bryant said after practice Thursday, hours before Paul's introductory news conference with the Los Angeles Clippers, less than five miles across town.

"We always contended as players that the lockout was really more so about the owners fighting amongst themselves, which is what you just saw [with the vetoed trade]," Bryant said. "You got Chris Paul coming here and the other owners weren't with that, because you don't want another great player coming to L.A., and all of the sudden Los Angeles has another player that can carry them on well after I retire. "
More than likely someone will catch on to Sterns ********, there is no way you can deny that he had an alternate motive behind the trade cancellation, if he didn't he would have let the trade go, I mean K-mart, Scola, Dragic, and a 2012 1st round pick were up for grabs for CP. That sounds like more than fair deal on the Hornets side, especially for one shooting guard. So why cancel an actual beneficial trade for the hornets??

KingZee 12-21-2011 03:43 PM

Kobe Bryant has torn ligament in right wrist, is day-to-day - latimes.com

fak

lingling1211 12-21-2011 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KingZee (Post 1458715)

:crying:

TerribleONE 12-21-2011 03:51 PM

goin to the christmas day opener... cant wait

nmjaxx9 12-21-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by terribleone (Post 1458735)
goin to the christmas day opener... Cant wait

dam u!!!

nmjaxx9 12-21-2011 04:05 PM

looks like the clippers also punished the lakers in preseason 104 to sumthing.

eastwest2300 12-22-2011 03:47 AM

Ahh man who cares about the lakers, its all about the Miami Heat!

nmjaxx9 12-22-2011 09:33 AM

Yeah but this is a lakers thread..

But yeah go Miami! :tup:

Waiz 12-22-2011 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1459436)
Ahh man who cares about the lakers, its all about the Clippers!

Fixed :icon17:

phelan 12-22-2011 11:37 AM

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send me some of that haterade kthx

Waiz 12-22-2011 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by phelan (Post 1459751)
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send me some wins since I won't have many this year kthx

Fixed as well! :)

TerribleONE 12-22-2011 11:46 AM

LOL at miami.. Lebron will go another year without a ring just watch..

nmjaxx9 12-22-2011 11:52 AM

Well a injured wrist, losing their forward, not getting CP, Kobes wife divorcing him...things arent looking to good for the Lakers. So forget a ring for Kobe.

Now the clippers on the other hand might have a chance. CP and Griffy were unstoppable in the preseason opener. I have high hopes for the Clippers this season.

phelan 12-22-2011 11:57 AM

two words: clippers curse.

Waiz 12-22-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by nmjaxx9 (Post 1459765)
Well a injured wrist, losing their forward, not getting CP, Kobes wife divorcing him...things arent looking to good for the Lakers. So forget a ring for Kobe.

Now the clippers on the other hand might have a chance. CP and Griffy were unstoppable in the preseason opener. I have high hopes for the Clippers this season.

We haven't even played a game yet, be patient brosef! :tup:

phelan 12-22-2011 12:06 PM

sure yo uhave. you played two, lost two. :)

Notsud 13 12-22-2011 12:09 PM

i grew up watching the lakers since the early 90s, i will always be a lakers kid....win or lose.

Waiz 12-22-2011 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan (Post 1459777)
sure yo uhave. you played two, lost two. :)

Preseason doesn't count, 60+ games is still a long season ;)

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Originally Posted by Notsud 13 (Post 1459779)
i grew up watching the lakers since the early 90s, i will always be a lakers kid....win or lose.

Attaboy!

Notsud 13 12-22-2011 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 1459784)
Preseason doesn't count, 60+ games is still a long season ;)



Attaboy!

i just cant stand these bandwagoners


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