Whey protein... what to buy?

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Are you referring to your post on previous pages?

I never said I gained 25# of MUSCLE. I probably gained maybe 5# of dry muscle. The rest is fat and water I am betting, judging on my measurements. However, I took before/after pix and am very happy with the results. I started at 173# and a measured (hydrostatic) 10% body-fat. I am hoping to end up at around 180-185# and 9-11% body-fat after my cut.

My point was I didn't use any "designer" anything. I rarely even took anything except the random protein-shake after a work-out maybe 1/10th of the time. Quality food (for the most part, lol) is where it's at. You can get all you need for a good bulk off a good diet and a post-work-out shake now and again. Doesn't even have to be elitist designer crap, either.

I had a roommate who has done multiple cycles of Deca, Test, D-Bol, Winstrol, and other ****. I'm bigger, stronger, and faster than him. He didn't eat right, didn't train right, and even at the peak of a Test/DBol cycle, he was still lifting less than I was. He was also 5'7 and I am 5'10, so he has mad mechanical advantage on things like the bench and squat. He never hit my numbers--and my lifts are NOT something I brag about. They aren't worth bragging about, is what I mean.

It's training, discipline, and diet. NO supplement out there is going to do more for you than steroid/test usage. He still never touched my numbers. Why? He wasn't training or eating right (had he been, he would have made me look like a total weenie). Train right. Eat right. Stop using chemical **** as a crutch thinking it will somehow remove the necessity for correct diet/exercise routines.

My programs aren't the "best" and I don't eat or train as well as I should, but his failure to progress really opened my eyes to what a crappy diet/program could do to the best made plans. All the chemicals in the world won't make it work.

So why not use the chemicals AND the good plan/diet?

Well, you can, and you will see a bit of gain, but for me, the journey is the destination and like I said, I gained 25# in half a year, the before/after pix and my lifts show it wasn't a dirty gain, and I didn't need to spend money on any shakes other than when I felt like it.

Originally Posted by Cell

I agree on this. I preach to people that ask me all the time about working out. Dieting correctly for your goals is half the workout and sometimes more than half.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

The only thing I really liked for a supplement was Jack3d. That was only because FOR ME (I know others that are NOT like this), it would give me a mad burst of energy, I could hit my work-out HARD after a 12 hour shift, and then the effect was gone and I slept like a rock all day. Loved that stuff. Only because it allowed me the energy to complete workouts after a grueling shift at work, not because I thought it made me bigger in and of itself. The whole container lasted me several months. Only took it when I felt drained at work.

Originally Posted by fuct

jacked is great but dont make a habit outa it. i know the workouts when i wasnt taking it i felt like poo.