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[b1adesofcha0s]

Originally Posted by GaleForce

Jon Jones is on another level. Evans doesn't stand a chance.

IMO Evans has a better chance than anyone else in the LHW division. After watching his fight against Machida, I don't think Jones is quite as unbeatable as I previously thought. I think Machida might have won that fight if he hadn't lost so much blood from that cut. You need someone who can move in and out of Jones' range quickly and not let him get into the rhythm of his striking. Taking him down would work too if anyone can manage to do it. I think Shogun has a chance to beat Jones too with the proper strategy. If he uses a lot of his leg kicks to slow down Jones' striking (like he did in his first fight with Machida) he has a chance of winning.

Of course it's one thing for me to say all of these things are possible and another for someone to actually be able to execute them. One thing is for sure, any fight with Jon Jones is going to be an exciting one.

[MC]

yeah after evans there really isnt a big threat for him waiting inline.. it looks like hendo is next and of course he has that one shot power but i think if the fight went more than a round jones would pick him apart and break him.... i would love to see that fight but at the same time i dont want to see it has dan has been on such a role it could get ugly for him...

besides the obvious silva matchup (which i think jones would get taken out with furious vengence) a sort of out of the box match up i think would work is have belfort go back to 205 to fight him... but yeah beyond that 205 is sort of slimming out as a stacked division vs what it was a few years back... jones could have the belt a while by looking at the current 205 roster..

[b1adesofcha0s]

Originally Posted by MC

yeah after evans there really isnt a big threat for him waiting inline.. it looks like hendo is next and of course he has that one shot power but i think if the fight went more than a round jones would pick him apart and break him.... i would love to see that fight but at the same time i dont want to see it has dan has been on such a role it could get ugly for him...

besides the obvious silva matchup (which i think jones would get taken out with furious vengence) a sort of out of the box match up i think would work is have belfort go back to 205 to fight him... but yeah beyond that 205 is sort of slimming out as a stacked division vs what it was a few years back... jones could have the belt a while by looking at the current 205 roster..

I agree with you on the Silva matchup and Belfort would be interesting as well. I think the real question is how long before Jones moves up to heavyweight. Jones vs dos Santos would be a good fight to see. Hell even Jones vs Lesnar would have been interesting. Jones has been good at defending takedowns for now, but I don't think he'd be able to stop Brock Lesnar from charging at him and putting him on the ground. Doesn't matter now though since Lesnar retired.

[MC]

i got back from UFC in ATL about 5pm today ( 5hr drive)

was a awesome event we had great seats and i saw a lot of fighters at the hotel... i was in the elevator with daniel cormier and luke rockhold from strikeforce.... then my GF and i went to the UFC tailgate party outside the hotel and there was this huge line with like 200 people in it waiting to get in this mobile UFC display truck... my GF wanted to go in as there was a frame with GSPs shorts in it ( yea she loves him) so we accidentally walked past the line and this guy asked us if we were sent over and i said yes... we were taken inside and it turned out that line was a autograph line for forrest griffin so we felt real bad that people has been waiting for hours... but yeah we met him and got pics and all that ...was pretty cool

then at the event we saw brian stann anthony pettis clay guida chael sonnen and a few others.. was a great time and really solid card the first 2 rounds of the jones evan fight was really good i mean being there it might have appeared closer than it was the crowd was crazy..but yeah by round 4 the momentum really turned and everyone in the crowd sorta just knew where it was going

the way jones was throwing those elbows like punches was crazy... i think he is gonna have to go to heavyweight or something... in person he looked 2 weight classed bigger than evans


they announced after the fight hendo is next....but i think his only chance is to fight him really tight and pressure him enough to land one of his hbombs.... the longer that fight goes i think it will get ugly and hendo will be a slow target..... so yeah he needs to say **** it and come out swinging just like the fedor fight and see what happens

[shadoquad]

Evans looked lost. He only attempted 2-3 takedowns, and much like the Machida fight, he simply isn't a good enough striker to stand and trade with a guy like Jones. He had to take the fight to the mat, but he didn't. Just stood there and took his whoopin'.

But the guy who really got served was Brendan Schaub. Guess who's got a glass jaw?

[GaleForce]

Jones will definitely be going to HW, but only after he cleans out the LHW division. I didn't think Hendo really stood a chance with Jones, but after seeing Evans go all 5 rounds without Jones being able to stop him, tells me Hendo does have a chance. Hendo has great wrestling and the famous H-bomb...

More impressive than Jones on Saturday night was Rory Macdonald. He's a beast at 170.

Anyone pumped to see JDS vs. Mir? I'm not thrilled, was looking forward to JDS vs. Overeem, too bad he pissed hot... Fool.

[b1adesofcha0s]

Sounds like a lot of fun MC. I still think Jones is unstoppable at LHW and also agree that Evans needed to take him down if he had any chance of winning. He had a few takedown attempts but they were pretty weak. Henderson's only chance is to take Jones down and try to ground and pound him for a win. Jones' reach advantage is going to be even worse for Henderson.

I don't think Jones will dominate the HW division like he is doing with LHW. There are much bigger guys there who will probably do a lot better job of taking him down and keeping him there. The HW guys will hit a lot harder too. Might just be me, but I don't see Jones beating someone like JDS, Frank Mir, Cain Velasquez, or Shane Carwin unless he catches them with a good shot. He would have to put on some serious weight to be able to compete effectively against the elite HW's. I would like to see him fight Anderson Silva though at LHW.

[GaleForce]

I personally think taking Jones to the ground is a mistake, especially with his long limbs. Hendo has already said that he needs to stay close, in the clinch and avoid the elbows. I dont think Hendo would beat Jones, but anyone has a punchers chance.

As far as Jones moving to HW, he's not that far off. He's still growing, and he already walks around at 230lbs. JDS and Cain are right around that weight ~230-240, and Cain beat Lesnar who weighs ~280 on fight day. Plus I think Jones cardio is better than anyone else in HW. Time will tell.

My ideal super fight before Jones moves up to HW would be Jones vs. Silva.

[b1adesofcha0s]

Gaining weight doesn't always work out perfectly. Look at what happened to GSP when he tried to gain a bit of weight for his last fight. He was definitely not as good as he usually is. He will lose some speed from bucking up, but will still have a speed advantage over other HW's.

[GaleForce]

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Gaining weight doesn't always work out perfectly. Look at what happened to GSP when he tried to gain a bit of weight for his last fight. He was definitely not as good as he usually is. He will lose some speed from bucking up, but will still have a speed advantage over other HW's.

Yes, I agree with what your saying about gaining weight. The problem with GSP is that he is maxed out for his frame at 170-180. Jon Jones, is still growing as a young man and will naturally bulk up, just by eating the right things. He can hit 240lbs without trying (look at his brothers). Now if he were to try to bulk to 250-260 (stupid move), forget about it, his performance would suffer greatly.

[MC]

Originally Posted by GaleForce

Anyone pumped to see JDS vs. Mir? I'm not thrilled, was looking forward to JDS vs. Overeem, too bad he pissed hot... Fool.

yeah bad situation all around...but no JDS and MIR wont end well for MIR... the 2 fights he got destroyed by lesnar and carwin he didnt respect them and put himself in positions where he was taking damage in order to impose his will .. JDS striking is on a whole different level... i mean before he broke nogueiras arm he was almost KOed by him so yeah its gonna be ugly

[b1adesofcha0s]

Yeah, but from the UFC's standpoint there really wasn't anyone better to put in there. They could have done a rematch with Velasquez I guess, but he did just get KO'ed by JDS in like a minute.

[MC]

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Yeah, but from the UFC's standpoint there really wasn't anyone better to put in there. They could have done a rematch with Velasquez I guess, but he did just get KO'ed by JDS in like a minute.

yeah there really wasnt anyone.... i mean hendo said he would have taken it but i didnt see that happening... and mark hunt was like the only other available person and he in a way is due for a shot at something being the ultimate journeyman but that wouldnt sell PPV...MIR is a big enough name and has racked up enough wins to deserve another go..... i do a agree that a part of me thinks cain would be a better match up... that fight was a bit of a fluke.. i mean im not saying cain would have won but he had nerves and then an injury where he couldnt shoot and then JDS hit him with that shot to unbalance him so fast it was just like a perfect storm of bad things that led to such a dissapointing fight... but he should make quick work of bigfoot and be back on his way up

[b1adesofcha0s]

Originally Posted by MC

yeah there really wasnt anyone.... i mean hendo said he would have taken it but i didnt see that happening... and mark hunt was like the only other available person and he in a way is due for a shot at something being the ultimate journeyman but that wouldnt sell PPV...MIR is a big enough name and has racked up enough wins to deserve another go..... i do a agree that a part of me thinks cain would be a better match up... that fight was a bit of a fluke.. i mean im not saying cain would have won but he had nerves and then an injury where he couldnt shoot and then JDS hit him with that shot to unbalance him so fast it was just like a perfect storm of bad things that led to such a dissapointing fight... but he should make quick work of bigfoot and be back on his way up

Agreed. I still think JDS would have won that fight, but Cain got caught early. He'll get a rematch, most likely after he beats Bigfoot. If Overeem somehow is able to fight outside of Vegas they might put him against Velasquez for #1 contender fight. Otherwise I see a JDS vs Cain Velasquez rematch after UFC 146.

[b1adesofcha0s]

I'm thinking we should just rename this the Official UFC Thread since we don't have one already. MC are you able to do this or do I have to contact a super mod or AK?