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SPOHN 06-25-2012 09:01 PM

Jon Jones is great but the 205 class is thin these days. His next fight is Dan Henderson. I like him and anything can happen for sure. But he is 41 years old.

b1adesofcha0s 06-25-2012 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bdavis89 (Post 1791098)
Yeah, Machida had Jones in the first round, I was hoping he'd pull it out too. I worry about GSP, I think he might be on the downhill with his injury.

Definitely agree with you on Jones, he has incredible potential. I'm not sure about him as a person. I thought he seemed awesome, but the DUI certainly didn't help...

I'm interested in seeing how GSP does coming back from his injury as well.

Like I posted in here earlier, he doesn't carry himself like a respected champion should. He seems to be the only current UFC champion with these issues. He's making the news for getting his DUI where as another rising star in JDS is doing the same for bringing a poor kid from Brazil to watch his fight in the US. I may like Jones fighting style better, but I respect JDS as a champion much more.

b1adesofcha0s 06-25-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1791103)
Jon Jones is great but the 205 class is thin these days. His next fight is Dan Henderson. I like him and anything can happen for sure. But he is 41 years old.

Jones is going to move up to heavyweight eventually, but when that will happen is not clear yet. Seems Dana White is not quite ready for Jones to make that transition yet. I don't think he'll have any trouble getting through Henderson. Not sure where they will go after that. I can see him having rematches with Shogun, Machida, and/or Evans before he eventually moves up to heavyweight.

tonybui 06-26-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1791118)
Jones is going to move up to heavyweight eventually, but when that will happen is not clear yet. Seems Dana White is not quite ready for Jones to make that transition yet. I don't think he'll have any trouble getting through Henderson. Not sure where they will go after that. I can see him having rematches with Shogun, Machida, and/or Evans before he eventually moves up to heavyweight.

He already beat those guys, it's time to move up to heavy weights, no questions asked

speedfreek 06-26-2012 11:55 AM

With the way Jones beat all those guys I don't see how Dana or the Fertitta's can think any of those rematches will bring big money. Other than a fluke I don't see anyone having any better luck next time. Dan Henderson has a better chance of sneaking in his H-Bomb on him. After this fight I think they quit BS'ing and have him move up. But just like the long debate of GSP vs Silva or Silva vs Jones it likely won't happen anytime soon.

speedfreek 06-26-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1791103)
Jon Jones is great but the 205 class is thin these days. His next fight is Dan Henderson. I like him and anything can happen for sure. But he is 41 years old.

I like how Dan Henderson is sitting and waiting for Jones like a BOSS! He was asked about cardio in a recent interview and he laughed and said he hasn't ran in years. He is in there to do one thing and that is to knock you out. He always delivers just like Chuck did in his prime. But yea Dan is coming to the end of the line and he knows it.

shadoquad 06-26-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tonybui (Post 1792206)
He already beat those guys, it's time to move up to heavy weights, no questions asked

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Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 1792217)
With the way Jones beat all those guys I don't see how Dana or the Fertitta's can think any of those rematches will bring big money. Other than a fluke I don't see anyone having any better luck next time. Dan Henderson has a better chance of sneaking in his H-Bomb on him. After this fight I think they quit BS'ing and have him move up. But just like the long debate of GSP vs Silva or Silva vs Jones it likely won't happen anytime soon.

So, you would move Jon Jones out of Light Heavyweight when there is nothing else in that weight class? Pretty much the only good fighter in that weight class, and you'd throw him up with the big boys and risk him getting pwned?

I'd do like they do with Anderson Silva and just keep him right at Light Heavyweight and welcome all comers.

speedfreek 06-26-2012 12:27 PM

Jon Jones dominance is partly due to his size and reach advantage. Given he has a figher's acumen and has developed very good skill set in a short period of time. But his dominance shows he is leagues ahead of everyone else. Which have grown up mostly fighting. Not just getting into in the past 4-5 years like Jones. This is where his size controls a big part of his dominance. He is a freak. Yes he has the right to stay at Light Heavyweight and welcome all comers. The only person I see coming on the horizon and still is a few fights out from even becoming a serious contender is Alex Gustafsson. He has potential but is lacking in key skills to be an actual threat to Jones. If Jones wants to create a legacy he goes out after dominating the field in LHW and moves up to HW after putting on size and keeping his skills up and makes a go of it. If it doesnt work out he can always come back to LHW but it will be harder to cut the weight and as he gets older cutting gets more tedious anyway. It will be interesting in which way he decides to go after another couple fights.

b1adesofcha0s 06-26-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1792233)
So, you would move Jon Jones out of Light Heavyweight when there is nothing else in that weight class? Pretty much the only good fighter in that weight class, and you'd throw him up with the big boys and risk him getting pwned?

I'd do like they do with Anderson Silva and just keep him right at Light Heavyweight and welcome all comers.

:iagree:

I read an article a little while back where they talked to Dana White about moving Jones to heavyweight and it seemed like they didn't want to do that for a while. While he is a beast at 205, there's no guarantee he will do better at heavyweight, especially when there's a good chance he'll be giving up a good 30-40 lbs to some of his opponents. Jones has been good at keeping the fight standing up at 205, but I don't think he can keep doing that against guys who are much bigger than him. I think guys like Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez would be able to put him down and keep them there.

This does however depend on how much weight Jones will actually put on when/if he does make the move up. It will slow him down for sure and just hope it doesn't affect him the same way it seemed to affect GSP. You also have to remember guys at heavyweight hit much harder than those at light heavyweight. Taking punches from JDS is much different than taking punches from Rashad Evans.

b1adesofcha0s 06-26-2012 12:46 PM

I think the best thing for Jones would be to do what they did with Anderson Silva. Keep him as LHW champ, but give him a few test fights at HW to see how he does. If he does good, they can start thinking about moving him up. If not, he can stay at LHW and continue being the champ.

I don't think he's quite as unbeatable as I used to think. I think it's more about having the right strategy to beat him. Machida might have done it if he didn't lose all that blood from that elbow. I think Shogun has the ability to do it as well if he's at his best. He'd have to use a lot of his leg kicks to slow down Jones and make it easier to get him into striking range.

b1adesofcha0s 06-27-2012 12:12 PM

Trying to set up a meet to watch UFC 148. If anyone's interested, there's a thread posted in the Mid-Atlantic section

http://www.the370z.com/mid-atlantic-...ml#post1794380

Rooster89 06-27-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1794382)
Trying to set up a meet to watch UFC 148. If anyone's interested, there's a thread posted in the Mid-Atlantic section

http://www.the370z.com/mid-atlantic-...ml#post1794380

I'm totally down to drive 900+ miles to hang out with you guys for a couple hours :tup:

b1adesofcha0s 06-27-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster89 (Post 1795036)
I'm totally down to drive 900+ miles to hang out with you guys for a couple hours :tup:

Do it!!!!! You could always fly in to BWI, it's like 10 mins from where I live :tup:

b1adesofcha0s 07-03-2012 09:08 AM

So predictions for UFC 148 this weekend? Here are mine:

Silva vs Sonnen: Silva wins by murder KO.

Griffin vs Ortiz: Griffin wins by decision.

That's about all the educated predictions I can make for this card. Haven't watched some of the other fighters enough to make a decision on who I think will win.

speedfreek 07-03-2012 09:17 AM

Silva vs Sonnen - Sonnen is going to be high on bath salts, testosterone, and whatever else he can get his hands on. If Silva doesn't knock him out in the first round. Then its going to be more ground n pound pain for Silva and only hopes of his survival is to catch Sonnen in a submission. Really this fight can go either way but with Sonnen approved to take testosterone you are going to see a very motivated jacked up Sonnen this time around as well.

Griffin vs Ortiz - Depends on which Griffin shows up. I hate Ortiz so I am going to go with Griffen and hope he doesn't let me down....again.

Cung Le vs Patrick Cote - Cung Le by decision

Dong Hyun Kim vs Demian Maia - Maia by submission

Chad Mendes vs Cody McKenzie - Mendes by KO

Ivan Menjiver vs Mike Easton - someone is getting KO'd

b1adesofcha0s 07-03-2012 09:22 AM

I think Silva will be taking Sonnen much more seriously this time. Hopefully without the rib injury he'll do much better. He said he was trying to prove a point in his last fight and wanted to submit Sonnen, which he did. Now he said he's going kill Sonnen so I'm expecting and hoping for a good beat down.

SPOHN 07-03-2012 09:32 AM

I love how Sonnen took it to him last time. But Sonnen is sloppy when it comes to stand up game. Which is dangerous for him.

What do you guys think of Forest/ Titto fight. I'm taking Forest. He can take a whoopn and still come out on top.

speedfreek 07-03-2012 09:34 AM

See Sonnen is in his head which is what he wanted. Does it backfire and Silva fights better when he is mad or does it make Silva make a mistake? If he doesn't knock Sonnen's head off in the first round I look for a long grueling fight. I just hope he doesn't get submitted again after winning every round. I was yelling at him to get the hell away from him in the 5th. But Sonnen is a fighter unlike some of the other little bishes *cough* Condit *cough*. So he wouldn't run away from him just to secure a victory. He won the fight and Silva had to knock him out or submit him in the final round. So I dont think he was trying to prove a point other than he had to in order to win. If you remember Silva is the one who got caught at the opening bell and could of easily been TKO'd. Sonnen was never threatened at least from what I recall from the fight until being submitted.

Either way it should make for an entertaining fight. As long as it is exciting I am good.

speedfreek 07-03-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1803876)
I love how Sonnen took it to him last time. But Sonnen is sloppy when it comes to stand up game. Which is dangerous for him.

What do you guys think of Forest/ Titto fight. I'm taking Forest. He can take a whoopn and still come out on top.

Sonnen may not have the boxing skills that Silva has, but it was Sonnen who clipped Silva early in the last fight. I agree that it will likely not happen again so Sonnen better shoot for the take down earlier. Dont want to get caught out like Velasquez did against JDS.

I absolutely hate Tito. I love how they prop him up as one of the ambassadors to the sport. Yea I know he did some good for it. But I can't get past how long he ducked Chuck and continued to talk ****. That and he always has the same lame excuses when he loses. Oh I got injured in training, oh I have a hurt back, etc. And he always says the same thing going into the fight... This was my best camp ever! How so if you came in injured. Think dummy the stories dont match.

I hope Forrest knocks his *** out!

b1adesofcha0s 07-03-2012 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1803876)
I love how Sonnen took it to him last time. But Sonnen is sloppy when it comes to stand up game. Which is dangerous for him.

What do you guys think of Forest/ Titto fight. I'm taking Forest. He can take a whoopn and still come out on top.

:iagree:

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Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 1803881)
See Sonnen is in his head which is what he wanted. Does it backfire and Silva fights better when he is mad or does it make Silva make a mistake? If he doesn't knock Sonnen's head off in the first round I look for a long grueling fight. I just hope he doesn't get submitted again after winning every round. I was yelling at him to get the hell away from him in the 5th. But Sonnen is a fighter unlike some of the other little bishes *cough* Condit *cough*. So he wouldn't run away from him just to secure a victory. He won the fight and Silva had to knock him out or submit him in the final round. So I dont think he was trying to prove a point other than he had to in order to win. If you remember Silva is the one who got caught at the opening bell and could of easily been TKO'd. Sonnen was never threatened at least from what I recall from the fight until being submitted.

Either way it should make for an entertaining fight. As long as it is exciting I am good.

Umm Sonnen tapped out so he did not win the fight in any way. Was he winning the fight up until that point on the judge's scorecard? He definitely was, but saying he won the fight is completely wrong. I may be a bit of an Anderson Silva fan boy, but when you finish a fight there is no question as to who won regardless of how the rest of the fight went.

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Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 1803889)
Sonnen may not have the boxing skills that Silva has, but it was Sonnen who clipped Silva early in the last fight. I agree that it will likely not happen again so Sonnen better shoot for the take down earlier. Dont want to get caught out like Velasquez did against JDS.

I absolutely hate Tito. I love how they prop him up as one of the ambassadors to the sport. Yea I know he did some good for it. But I can't get past how long he ducked Chuck and continued to talk ****. That and he always has the same lame excuses when he loses. Oh I got injured in training, oh I have a hurt back, etc. And he always says the same thing going into the fight... This was my best camp ever! How so if you came in injured. Think dummy the stories dont match.

I hope Forrest knocks his *** out!

Silva did get caught at the beginning of the last fight, but that can happen to any fighter at any time. Silva may have underestimated Sonnen in their last fight, but I'm damn sure he won't do it again this time around. I saw the documentary "Like Water" the other day and they showed highlights from the first fight. Silva was doing pretty good with his striking until the point where he got taken down in each round. I'm probably gonna watch the full fight again before this Saturday.

b1adesofcha0s 07-03-2012 09:53 AM

For the Forrest vs Tito fight it depends which one shows up for each fighter. Which ever one is at the top of their game is going to take the decision. If they are both at their best then I might give Forrest the decision because Tito's getting old now.

speedfreek 07-03-2012 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1803905)
:iagree: Umm Sonnen tapped out so he did not win the fight in any way. Was he winning the fight up until that point on the judge's scorecard? He definitely was, but saying he won the fight is completely wrong.

Yes he didn't ultimately end up winning so you can attack that statement on those merits. Given you are a Silva Fanboy I understand. I know he didn't win the fight, I watched it I saw him tap. Bottom line is I want Silva to lose. Same way I want GSP to lose. The title reign must end.

b1adesofcha0s 07-03-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 1803921)
Yes he didn't ultimately end up winning so you can attack that statement on those merits. Given you are a Silva Fanboy I understand. I know he didn't win the fight, I watched it I saw him tap. Bottom line is I want Silva to lose. Same way I want GSP to lose. The title reign must end.

I knew what you meant though. He was getting his azz kicked for those 4.5 rounds, but I'm so glad he got the submission at the end. I think Silva will end up retiring as champion depending on when he decides to do so. I wouldn't mind seeing GSP lose though. :p

SPOHN 07-03-2012 11:01 AM

It's been awhile since Forrest has fought. But Tito is a joke. Plus all those neck surgeries he had is going to catch up to him soon.

MC 07-05-2012 11:09 PM

hilarious i love how Ariel Helwani always interviews sensai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri5J8-w2RIE

tomnavone 07-07-2012 11:48 AM

Silva shoulder checks Sonnen in the face at yesterdays weigh-in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4reaV_95VKQ

SPOHN 07-07-2012 12:04 PM

^ yea that would of pissed me off. If Silvia makes these to personal his train of thought is going to be bad.

b1adesofcha0s 07-07-2012 02:07 PM

Yeah I think it was a bad move as well. I'm still excited for the fight though, watching it with a couple other forum members. Should be fun :tup:

SPOHN 07-07-2012 10:07 PM

There's been two fight that lastest less than 45 secs.

SPOHN 07-07-2012 11:13 PM

What the hell was Forrest doing walking out of the ring?

SPOHN 07-07-2012 11:36 PM

Well AS is still champ

tomnavone 07-07-2012 11:59 PM

Wish it was longer
I always feel ripped off.

b1adesofcha0s 07-08-2012 12:34 AM

Loved watching Silva make Sonnen look like a little bitch. My only question is who are they going to put in front of him next?

Anyone else notice Silva shake hands with Jon Jones right before stepping into the cage?

b1adesofcha0s 07-08-2012 01:00 AM

Also, it's hilarious seeing all the Sonnen fans bitching about the fight on the interwebz. "Oh he grabbed his shorts, that was an illegal knee, blah blah blah". They just can't accept the fact that Silva is a much better fighter and proved it tonight.

shadoquad 07-08-2012 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1811161)
What the hell was Forrest doing walking out of the ring?

We were asking the same thing. :wtf:

MC 07-08-2012 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1811237)
We were asking the same thing. :wtf:

in the post fight press conference he said he felt depressed for not finishing the fight in the last round... then dana jumped all over his *** for taking the mic and interviewing tito :rofl2: he apologized but tito seemed sort of pissed too

b1adesofcha0s 07-08-2012 10:36 AM

I thought he left because he thought he lost the fight, like when did it after his fight with Silva.

SPOHN 07-09-2012 03:19 PM

Just read Bisbing wants a shot at Silva. Thoughts?

b1adesofcha0s 07-09-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1813249)
Just read Bisbing wants a shot at Silva. Thoughts?

Not interested. I heard Rashad Evans threw out a challenge to Silva as well, which I'd much rather see. What I think will happen is the Munoz/Weidman fill fight the winner of Bisping/Stann to see who gets the next title shot. I'd love to see Silva kick Evans' azz though. I'd also like to see a rematch with Belfort, who might have the best chance of catching Silva with a good punch.

speedfreek 07-09-2012 03:39 PM

Well that card didn't live up to the hype. Kind of hard to with all the hype built around the main event. Sucks to see it end the way it did. Not sure why Sonnen went for the high risk manuever which cost him. But Silva is one of the best ever so I can't say I fully expected him to not win. He capatilizes on his opponents mistakes. Sucks Cruz got hurt and they pulled the Faber fight completely off the card. I think that fight would of been great.

Forrest is crazy and he proved it again. I hate he couldn't finish Tito either.

Le and Cote - didnt expect much from them. I knew it would go to to decision.

Mendes KO'd McKenzie. Saw that coming.

I will catch the next few cards at B Dubs or a local bar. Next one I will pay for is Hendo vs Jones. I put it all on an H bomb connecting. Oh and I hate Bisping....Hope Stann knocks him out just like Hendo did.


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