NBA Finals??

05-29-2009, 01:07 AM

NY is a great fit IMO

zman1910 · 05-29-2009, 01:17 AM

I agree and I think D'Antoni could do great things with him if he's still there....not to mention NY loves Lebron as it is

05-29-2009, 01:27 AM

Hell yeah! I cant wait till 2010 lol

arcticreaver · 05-29-2009, 02:24 AM

mike doesn't preach defense and doesn't get on player's cases when they screw up. did the suns learn anything from not playing defense? yes, and that is not going to the finals. getting beat down every year against defensive minded teams in the playoffs when he was with the suns.

if lebron joins NY with out a true center at the helm, which i mean by a center that can score in the post, rebound, and maybe block 1 or 2 a night, going to NY just creates better revenue for everyone.

small ball is fun to watch and play but it's not going to win you games when players are cold and your biggest and tallest player on the floor is 6'10 or 6'11.

i see it like shaq coming to phoenix, although he's a big presence in the middle, the suns at heart were still a run a gun team and with him in the middle, the offense and defense was just out of whack. i'm talking about the time when mike was still a coach with the suns.

you bring porter in, which i thought was a good move, but the core is still a run and gun team, no body looked like they wanted to play defense, and so with the coaching, their season went up in flames. same could happen with lebron. mike brown's system is that of the spurs, defense first, which is why Cavs are still a good team with aging players and with a decent supporting cast. you bring small ball to the table and they probably would have had a hard time with Atlanta and the conference finals would have been over by now.

lebron to NY will bring him fame and fortune. but when that teams doesn't win, all the blame will be on him and why he can't carry a team. truth is, small ball is fun and while successful, it has yet to be proven that it can be a championship type team. contenders, yes, but rings and trophy? no.

don nelson has been preaching small ball for years now and although the mavs went to the playoffs they were a real contender until avery show them some defense and went to the finals. otherwise, look at the warriors, they got hot that one season where they upset the mavs. but look at them now, lottery. and will probably be another lottery team the next season.

NY has been a lottery team for years. man, i can't wait for them to be strong and everything, but with them blowing off contracts, saving the cap space and unloading players, why would Lebron even consider NY by the time his contact is up? granted you won't be paying him like the Lakers did with Kobe but by signing him up, you will then need to have some decent players at the core and a good coach, and that means a coach who can adapt and change things up and play defense because basketball is already a given offensive game because that's how you win games by scoring, but playing defense gives you a better chance of winning. who else are they going to sign with Lebron? that's the questions, because if i was Lebron, i would be looking at places that are already contenders. money ain't a thing to me if i'm lebron, nike, and all the other major sponsors will give me plenty of contacts to sign and fill my bank. i want rings and rings and rings.

phelan · 05-29-2009, 11:15 AM

these kobe v. lebron ads are annoying the hell out of me. i can't wait until next year when my trail blazers return to the court.

molamann · 05-30-2009, 12:09 AM

Booya, Lakers take western conference championship.

arcticreaver · 05-30-2009, 12:25 AM

DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!! 27 point BEAT DOWN!!!

05-30-2009, 03:57 AM

luck

Asheth · 05-30-2009, 04:36 AM

I keep having arguments with my friends saying that Trevor Ariza ain't ****. But I think Trevor Ariza in the starting lineup is excellent. I also think that this victory by the lakers tonight pulled them together as a complete team that not only can win a championship this year but at least another 3 or 4 seriously. It doesn'really matter which team the Lakers face in the championship they will win although I think if Cleveland makes it by some crazy act of god that it wont be a very competitive finals. If Cleveland can't match up with Orlando there is no way they will against the Lakers.

arcticreaver · 05-30-2009, 04:19 PM

lakers played a game they should have been playing in the playoffs, everyone was good for the get go. fisher and bryant dissed out assist like no one's business in the first half which is why there was a 13 point lead to end the 2nd quarter. getting people involved while knocking down shot is kobe bryant at his best. but the point is that everyone got touches and made big plays. walton with 10 point and a dunk over melo? priceless. ariza with 10 points in the first quarter and 3/4 from the arc? ownage. drew getting some rebounds and shots? unexpected and pau posting up and passing like wow.

i hope the lakers now know how to play like a real team.

arcticreaver · 05-30-2009, 11:33 PM

cavs going fishing!!!!

i can't believe this. a huge upset. but i guess the magics are the better team in the east.

ct63084 · 05-31-2009, 03:51 PM

Yeah congrats to the magic for advancing to the championship. Kinda dissappointed on lebron he just walked out and didn't even congratulate the other team and no press conference. I understand he was upset but that was very unsportsmanlike he's the league MVP and should act like one, hopefully he learns from this . Anyways this would be a good series both teams matches up perfectly and both teams fought hard to get there and they both deserve to be here. I honestly don't know who's going to win but i'll be happy if either one wins.

One thing why does everyone says that kobe only won championship because of shaq. Most perimeter player legends won championship with HOF big man. Magic only won championship with legends such as kareem and james worthy, larry bird won with legends such as robert parrish, mchale and some time with tiny archibald and bill walton. Jerry west only won one with chamberlain. Drexler only won with Olajuwon Jordan is the only one that didn't win with a HOF big man and the only one that led a dynasty with only one legitimate HOF and no HOF bigman. Yet everyone discredit Kobe just because he can't win one without HOF big guy. This jordan comparison is going a lil out of hand give this guy some credit he plays hard all the time he takes criticism like a champ he jas keeps playing on no matter what all this so called experts says about his team and his game. Then you got his mentor Jerry West come up in tv and say that lebron is a better player than him.

arcticreaver · 05-31-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ct63084

Yeah congrats to the magic for advancing to the championship. Kinda dissappointed on lebron he just walked out and didn't even congratulate the other team and no press conference. I understand he was upset but that was very unsportsmanlike he's the league MVP and should act like one, hopefully he learns from this . Anyways this would be a good series both teams matches up perfectly and both teams fought hard to get there and they both deserve to be here. I honestly don't know who's going to win but i'll be happy if either one wins.

One thing why does everyone says that kobe only won championship because of shaq. Most perimeter player legends won championship with HOF big man. Magic only won championship with legends such as kareem and james worthy, larry bird won with legends such as robert parrish, mchale and some time with tiny archibald and bill walton. Jerry west only won one with chamberlain. Drexler only won with Olajuwon Jordan is the only one that didn't win with a HOF big man and the only one that led a dynasty with only one legitimate HOF and no HOF bigman. Yet everyone discredit Kobe just because he can't win one without HOF big guy. This jordan comparison is going a lil out of hand give this guy some credit he plays hard all the time he takes criticism like a champ he jas keeps playing on no matter what all this so called experts says about his team and his game. Then you got his mentor Jerry West come up in tv and say that lebron is a better player than him.

oh yeah, you have a very good point there.

when it was magic's team, kareem was there, and when kareem retired, magic johnson never won another one. but jordan had the best power foward and small foward at the time and good bench with ron harper and steve kerr and tony.

i think jerry west is trying to get kobe pissing and get him on another level.

ct63084 · 05-31-2009, 09:19 PM

Dennis rodman is good and he did have other good players but none of them are legitimate HOF status, most dynasty have multiple HOF/Top 50 Players in their team like 80's lakers and boston. The bulls had a bunch of role players then pippen and jordan.

arcticreaver · 05-31-2009, 11:01 PM

wow dennis roman not hall of famer? winning with the pistons and bulls. the man has more rings than most of hall of famers. and he was really good. at 6'9 he gets the ball. i mean he just gets the ball. it was a skill, dennis knew where the ball was going to be after the first bounce off the rim or the backboard. the man was fast and furious and played mind games with people. he had speed, quickness, agility, and strength in the middle. he man could score easily as well. everyone thinks he's just defensive but damn, he can score at will but he doesn't need to because when playing with the pistons, he had thomas and dumars. and of course with the bulls, jordana and pipen.

the man is a legit hall of famer, 5 rings and 2 back to back defensive player of the year award and those defensive awards were back in the day when players were warriors and not chumps like todays basketball players sitting out with ankle sprains and toe issues.

05-29-2009, 02:24 AM	#109 (permalink)
arcticreaver Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 769 Drives: 2009 Z34 7AT PG Rep Power: 924	mike doesn't preach defense and doesn't get on player's cases when they screw up. did the suns learn anything from not playing defense? yes, and that is not going to the finals. getting beat down every year against defensive minded teams in the playoffs when he was with the suns. if lebron joins NY with out a true center at the helm, which i mean by a center that can score in the post, rebound, and maybe block 1 or 2 a night, going to NY just creates better revenue for everyone. small ball is fun to watch and play but it's not going to win you games when players are cold and your biggest and tallest player on the floor is 6'10 or 6'11. i see it like shaq coming to phoenix, although he's a big presence in the middle, the suns at heart were still a run a gun team and with him in the middle, the offense and defense was just out of whack. i'm talking about the time when mike was still a coach with the suns. you bring porter in, which i thought was a good move, but the core is still a run and gun team, no body looked like they wanted to play defense, and so with the coaching, their season went up in flames. same could happen with lebron. mike brown's system is that of the spurs, defense first, which is why Cavs are still a good team with aging players and with a decent supporting cast. you bring small ball to the table and they probably would have had a hard time with Atlanta and the conference finals would have been over by now. lebron to NY will bring him fame and fortune. but when that teams doesn't win, all the blame will be on him and why he can't carry a team. truth is, small ball is fun and while successful, it has yet to be proven that it can be a championship type team. contenders, yes, but rings and trophy? no. don nelson has been preaching small ball for years now and although the mavs went to the playoffs they were a real contender until avery show them some defense and went to the finals. otherwise, look at the warriors, they got hot that one season where they upset the mavs. but look at them now, lottery. and will probably be another lottery team the next season. NY has been a lottery team for years. man, i can't wait for them to be strong and everything, but with them blowing off contracts, saving the cap space and unloading players, why would Lebron even consider NY by the time his contact is up? granted you won't be paying him like the Lakers did with Kobe but by signing him up, you will then need to have some decent players at the core and a good coach, and that means a coach who can adapt and change things up and play defense because basketball is already a given offensive game because that's how you win games by scoring, but playing defense gives you a better chance of winning. who else are they going to sign with Lebron? that's the questions, because if i was Lebron, i would be looking at places that are already contenders. money ain't a thing to me if i'm lebron, nike, and all the other major sponsors will give me plenty of contacts to sign and fill my bank. i want rings and rings and rings. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/arcticreaver - FaceBook http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-yang/a/832/325 - LinkedIn Profile

05-30-2009, 12:25 AM	#112 (permalink)
arcticreaver Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 769 Drives: 2009 Z34 7AT PG Rep Power: 924	DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!! 27 point BEAT DOWN!!! __________________ http://www.facebook.com/arcticreaver - FaceBook http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-yang/a/832/325 - LinkedIn Profile

05-30-2009, 04:36 AM	#114 (permalink)
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05-30-2009, 04:19 PM	#115 (permalink)
arcticreaver Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 769 Drives: 2009 Z34 7AT PG Rep Power: 924	lakers played a game they should have been playing in the playoffs, everyone was good for the get go. fisher and bryant dissed out assist like no one's business in the first half which is why there was a 13 point lead to end the 2nd quarter. getting people involved while knocking down shot is kobe bryant at his best. but the point is that everyone got touches and made big plays. walton with 10 point and a dunk over melo? priceless. ariza with 10 points in the first quarter and 3/4 from the arc? ownage. drew getting some rebounds and shots? unexpected and pau posting up and passing like wow. i hope the lakers now know how to play like a real team. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/arcticreaver - FaceBook http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-yang/a/832/325 - LinkedIn Profile

05-30-2009, 11:33 PM	#116 (permalink)
arcticreaver Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 769 Drives: 2009 Z34 7AT PG Rep Power: 924	cavs going fishing!!!! i can't believe this. a huge upset. but i guess the magics are the better team in the east. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/arcticreaver - FaceBook http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-yang/a/832/325 - LinkedIn Profile

05-29-2009, 01:07 AM	#106 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	NY is a great fit IMO

05-29-2009, 01:17 AM	#107 (permalink)
zman1910 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: FL Posts: 361 Drives: 2011 Audi S4 Rep Power: 429	I agree and I think D'Antoni could do great things with him if he's still there....not to mention NY loves Lebron as it is

05-29-2009, 01:27 AM	#108 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	Hell yeah! I cant wait till 2010 lol

05-29-2009, 11:15 AM	#110 (permalink)
phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3406	these kobe v. lebron ads are annoying the hell out of me. i can't wait until next year when my trail blazers return to the court.

05-30-2009, 12:09 AM	#111 (permalink)
molamann A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,666 Drives: 370Z with NAVVVVV Rep Power: 284	Booya, Lakers take western conference championship.

05-30-2009, 03:57 AM	#113 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	luck

05-31-2009, 03:51 PM	#117 (permalink)
ct63084 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: FAIRFIELD CA Posts: 219 Drives: 2004 MAZDA3 Rep Power: 16	Yeah congrats to the magic for advancing to the championship. Kinda dissappointed on lebron he just walked out and didn't even congratulate the other team and no press conference. I understand he was upset but that was very unsportsmanlike he's the league MVP and should act like one, hopefully he learns from this . Anyways this would be a good series both teams matches up perfectly and both teams fought hard to get there and they both deserve to be here. I honestly don't know who's going to win but i'll be happy if either one wins. One thing why does everyone says that kobe only won championship because of shaq. Most perimeter player legends won championship with HOF big man. Magic only won championship with legends such as kareem and james worthy, larry bird won with legends such as robert parrish, mchale and some time with tiny archibald and bill walton. Jerry west only won one with chamberlain. Drexler only won with Olajuwon Jordan is the only one that didn't win with a HOF big man and the only one that led a dynasty with only one legitimate HOF and no HOF bigman. Yet everyone discredit Kobe just because he can't win one without HOF big guy. This jordan comparison is going a lil out of hand give this guy some credit he plays hard all the time he takes criticism like a champ he jas keeps playing on no matter what all this so called experts says about his team and his game. Then you got his mentor Jerry West come up in tv and say that lebron is a better player than him.

05-31-2009, 09:19 PM	#119 (permalink)
ct63084 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: FAIRFIELD CA Posts: 219 Drives: 2004 MAZDA3 Rep Power: 16	Dennis rodman is good and he did have other good players but none of them are legitimate HOF status, most dynasty have multiple HOF/Top 50 Players in their team like 80's lakers and boston. The bulls had a bunch of role players then pippen and jordan.

05-31-2009, 11:01 PM	#120 (permalink)
arcticreaver Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 769 Drives: 2009 Z34 7AT PG Rep Power: 924	wow dennis roman not hall of famer? winning with the pistons and bulls. the man has more rings than most of hall of famers. and he was really good. at 6'9 he gets the ball. i mean he just gets the ball. it was a skill, dennis knew where the ball was going to be after the first bounce off the rim or the backboard. the man was fast and furious and played mind games with people. he had speed, quickness, agility, and strength in the middle. he man could score easily as well. everyone thinks he's just defensive but damn, he can score at will but he doesn't need to because when playing with the pistons, he had thomas and dumars. and of course with the bulls, jordana and pipen. the man is a legit hall of famer, 5 rings and 2 back to back defensive player of the year award and those defensive awards were back in the day when players were warriors and not chumps like todays basketball players sitting out with ankle sprains and toe issues. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/arcticreaver - FaceBook http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sam-yang/a/832/325 - LinkedIn Profile