2010 Formula 1 thread

[dad]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

So you are OK with forcing one driver to move over for another?

Well, Tifosi have never cared about the driver... only the team.

Happy for the Ferrari win, that's all.

[kevr6]

I'm Glad Ferrari is back in it but not a big Alonso fan. Teammates always have to beware of him. Massa is an honorable person. (He also wants his paycheck of course)

This article says it all about Alonso: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...=feeds-newsxml

Ferrari Fined: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...rand-Prix.html

[Sscottfitz]

Yea, I'm not a big Alonso fan either, and the "team orders thing" I certainly understand, but still don't like it -- let the fastest man win... Of course once again the Red Bulls self destruct -- not sure what the heck Vettel was thinking on the start, unless they are just that bad on the starts...

Most importantly, I'll be glad when we get back to Speed broadcasting the races live vice the tape delayed BS........

[kevr6]

Originally Posted by Sscottfitz

Yea, I'm not a big Alonso fan either, and the "team orders thing" I certainly understand, but still don't like it -- let the fastest man win... Of course once again the Red Bulls self destruct -- not sure what the heck Vettel was thinking on the start, unless they are just that bad on the starts...

Most importantly, I'll be glad when we get back to Speed broadcasting the races live vice the tape delayed BS........

Vettel got what he deserved with his bully tactics.
Fox just doesn't get it. Taped delay and cutting off the interviews!!

[Pharmacist]

alonso is a piece of **** and i hope they kick his arse out of f1 and ship him back to madrid to drive taxi cabs. ferrari are scum too. i wish they bring back raikkonen. he was boring on the podium and had zero personality, and occasionally lacked motivation to perform, but at least what he won he earned legitimately, not by cheating like that punk alonso. controversy follows him anywhere and everywhere he goes. from the spying scandal at mclaren, to holding teammate hamilton in the pits during qualifying, to ratting out mclaren to the FIA, to the crashgate controversy at renault, to today's race "victory" handed to him via illegal ferrari team orders. not to mention his continuing whining about everything from the law, to the stewards, to the fia, to the media, to his teammates, to his own teams, to the car he is driving. this guy just never shuts up! he is a spoiled brat who expects everything to be handed to him on a golden plate without having to work and earn it. i hope the fia cracks down hard and makes an example out of alonso and ferrari if they expect to retain any credibility for the sport. furthermore, they should outright reject ferrari's pathetic attempts to claim they are complying with the letter of the law by alleging that massa made the decision by himself to let alonso by. race fixing tarnishes the sport and alienates the fans. teams should comply not just with the letter but also the spirit of the law.

as for massa, why is he even still in ferrari? what's in it for him? money? he's not a bad driver. i'm sure many other top tier teams, or even mid level teams for that matter are willing to pay him to drive for them. surely, he can't be a worse driver than button! what else? other teams have slower cars so he won't be able to win races and fight for the wdc? well, he's not able to do that at ferrari either. ferrari clearly only hired him to be a lapdog and play second fiddle to whoever is their star driver, michael schumacher, kimi raikkonen, or fernando alonso. the only occasion ferrari ever supported him was in 2008 and the only reason they did so was because raikkonen sucked so bad he never mounted a challenge for the wdc. if massa wants to advance his career further, he has to leave ferrari. otherwise, he'll become another rubens barrichello.

[Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by kevr6

Vettel got what he deserved with his bully tactics.
Fox just doesn't get it. Taped delay and cutting off the interviews!!

that was a very lousy start from vettel, must have been one of the worst starts in formula 1 history. definitely the worst i've ever seen. starting from pole position, and already losing two places before the first corner!

[shaun66]

I don't like Alonso, he ruined what could have been a good battle for the lead by crying over the radio that he faster. I don't think Massa was ever that fast to start with in formula 1, so if he leaves ferrari next year hes probably finished. overall not an interesting race.

2 races in a row with these crazy starts Vettel you f**k up! oh well i don't like vettel either

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by Pharmacist

surely, he can't be a worse driver than button!

You cannot claim that Button sucks as a driver, without having to admit that hamilton therefore sucks even more. At least Button wins his championship by more than one point, and without aid from Toyota.


if massa wants to advance his career further, he has to leave ferrari. otherwise, he'll become another rubens barrichello.

Right because Rubens moving away from Ferrari did wonder for his career.


Here is the reality, they both drive for Ferrari... In Ferrari's eyes, the team championship comes first, then the drivers. Alonso has a better chance at winning the championship than Massa, and should out of support move out of the way. He proved his point he can still drive, now support your team mate. The same way kimi supported him in 2008.

If you put them both to fight, you end up with a RBR, both of them are fighting each other and taking each other out and loosing points. Same thing is happening at mclaren, two good drivers, one clearly better than the other, but they do not support each other...


And on Alonso's defense not that i think his attitude is correct, what was he supposed to do with the spy gate saga? keep quite like Wonder bread praying that maybe this way he can actually win a championship? what he did was right.

[kevr6]

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

Right because Rubens moving away from Ferrari did wonder for his career.


Here is the reality, they both drive for Ferrari... In Ferrari's eyes, the team championship comes first, then the drivers. Alonso has a better chance at winning the championship than Massa, and should out of support move out of the way. He proved his point he can still drive, now support your team mate. The same way kimi supported him in 2008.

If you put them both to fight, you end up with a RBR, both of them are fighting each other and taking each other out and loosing points. Same thing is happening at mclaren, two good drivers, one clearly better than the other, but they do not support each other...


And on Alonso's defense not that i think his attitude is correct, what was he supposed to do with the spy gate saga? keep quite like Wonder bread praying that maybe this way he can actually win a championship? what he did was right.

I think the whole reason for the team orders being illegal is so that the fans can see a real race with each driver properly earning their positions. We all understand Ferrari's position and why this all happened.

[Chupacabra]

If you think about it, this is no worse than stripping webber from his front wing... only difference is Webber told RBR to screw them selves and took a win.

[rudi]

Unofficially team orders have always been allowed. However, they are not to make it obvious.

[Sscottfitz]

OK, finally we're back to races broadcast in "near real time"......let the Hungary GP begin!

[m4a1mustang]

As boring as this is to watch, Webber is the man in F1 right now. I am sure Vettel is fuming right now because he can't keep up!

That was a chickensh1t move on his part on the restart, too. F1 just needs to adopt the NASCAR restart style and be done with it.

[kevr6]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

As boring as this is to watch, Webber is the man in F1 right now. I am sure Vettel is fuming right now because he can't keep up!

That was a chickensh1t move on his part on the restart, too. F1 just needs to adopt the NASCAR restart style and be done with it.

Now be careful there good sir!! That word be used in this thread...

[m4a1mustang]

It makes sense, though. F1 has no clue WTF they are doing when it comes to managing safety car periods. Just do it the NASCAR way (they obviously have it figured out) and you won't have crap like this happening all the time.