2022 Formula 1 Thread

[DLSTR]

Stream for qualy if you need it - https://cricfree.live/live/sky-sports-f1-backup-1

[Ventruck]

Alright time to put in our bets on which lap Ferrari ruins Charles' weekend...

And....

Hamilton:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/le...42400/5042400/

"It's really bumpy down the main straight and you can't really see Turn 1 that well, the car's vibrating, it's really hard, but that's part of racing.

"These guys want it to be smoother than ever and no vibrations and no bumps.

"They want to take all the character and life out of these tracks.

"I'm glad that this has bumps, but I guarantee you there's going to be some people who say those things. I'll just sit there and smile."

Also Hamilton:
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/3...ercedes-monaco

"It's so bouncy out here, man, I'm losing my f---ing mind!"

Everybody acts tough when they're up.

[DLSTR]

The only game today is surviving the heat and how long will it take RedBull to pass Charles if he is in the lead................can they do it?????

[danegrey]

real question is, can the Ferrari engine last 4 failures out of 6 cars.. (both Ferraris)
My only question is why Perez was so far at the end after dominating the weekend...
MB ended at 3 and 4,,, Russell in 3rd...

[Ventruck]

Clockwork

[DLSTR]

Ferrari have confirmed the perfect way to lose a title chance lol. Fast car no reliability and bad strategy lol

[DLSTR]

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1...ying/10322129/

F1 drivers back penalties for triggering flags in qualifying
Formula 1 drivers have backed a potential FIA initiative to penalise those who trigger red or yellow flags in qualifying, ruining the laps of rivals.


By: Adam Cooper
Jun 14, 2022, 3:13 PM

The issue became a talking point in Azerbaijan last weekend after Fernando Alonso went down an escape road towards the end of Q1, bringing out a yellow flag and spoiling the laps of anyone behind who might have had a chance of beating him.

Alex Albon, who was immediately behind the Alpine driver, made it clear that he thought Alonso had gone off track in a deliberate effort to frustrate his rivals.

The issue of drivers playing such games, especially at street tracks, made the headlines at the 2006 Monaco GP.

On that occasion Michael Schumacher was excluded from qualifying after the stewards determined that he had deliberately stopped on track at Rascasse, effectively ending the session early and securing pole position.

A similar incident occurred at the same venue in 2014, when Nico Rosberg went down the Mirabeau escape road, thwarting the final effort of team-mate Lewis Hamilton. The German survived an investigation without sanction.

After qualifying for this year's Monaco race, Max Verstappen suggested that penalties should be imposed to those causing red flags after losing his final Q3 lap to someone else's accident for a second year in a row.

Although there was no official documentation associated with their enquiry, it's understood the FIA stewards conducted an informal investigation of the Alonso incident last weekend, with the Spaniard and Alpine sporting director Alan Permane seen leaving Baku race control on Sunday morning. Team boss Otmar Szafnauer also paid a visit.

Although the stewards took no action, their suspicions were alerted sufficiently to trigger a discussion about a possible solution to the problem.


The F1 sporting regulations already contain an article that can be applied to anyone taking an escape road or going onto a run-off area, and which reads: "Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not leave the track without a justifiable reason."

Appendix L of the FIA's International Sporting Code, which applies to driving conduct, contains a similar clause: "Drivers must use the track at all times and may not leave the track without a justifiable reason."

The stewards have the discretion to delete any or all lap times if a driver is deemed to have committed an offence that falls within that description.

If it is agreed between the FIA stewards and the F1 race directors that such a course of action would stop the sort of manoeuvre that Alonso was suspected of, drivers could be warned of potential sanctions as early as the Canadian GP, either in the race director's event notes or in the regular Friday drivers' briefing.

Awarding penalties for an actual accident that ends a session early, like those involving Charles Leclerc in Monaco in 2021 and Sergio Perez this year, would probably require a further discussion.

Asked by Autosport about the FIA potentially clamping down on controversial yellow flag situations in qualifying, Alonso said he would support the idea.

"Yeah, I think so," he said. "There's going to be always difficulties, like now in the [Baku] race, if you crash in one corner or if you park - there was one Haas [Kevin Magnussen] parked in Turn 15.

"If you park there or you park 10 metres after that, maybe you have a safety car deployment, depending if you take a good position or not. And then we will penalise the Haas driver because he chose the wrong thing?

"So we need to be careful on how we enter and how we do those things. But yeah, I agree. Especially qualifying it should be different.

"We are dealing with problems of slow laps, minimum time to respect, traffic in the last corner, tows, no tows. So I think we should be clever and think in another format in qualifying."


Lando Norris, who was also involved in a yellow flag incident in Baku, also supported the idea.

"Yeah, of course," he said when asked by Autosport if he agreed with a possible clampdown. "I think I was one of the guys who caused the yellow yesterday, but just to get out of the way of Seb [Vettel].

"I think there's a difference between people doing it by accident, and people doing it to get out of the way of people by not causing blue flags and whatever when you're in qualifying, versus people who quite obviously do it on purpose. Especially when you're one and a half seconds down on a push lap!

"You always say it until you're the one that does something wrong. And then you're like, #Oh, I wish that rule wasn't introduced', because you've just made a simple mistake, like when I spun in Imola.

"I guess I say I wish there's no rule but obviously when someone else does it you say you wish there was a rule. It always bites someone at some point. The people who are more vocal about it are the ones who just haven't made a mistake just yet."

Norris's team-mate Daniel Ricciardo also agreed that a clampdown would be a positive move.

"It's tough because they'll every incident will probably be a little bit different," said the Australian.

"But unless you've frickin' totalled your car, if it's just like a little lock-up or an escape road or something, then I feel like if you've caused something then maybe we should look into being penalised or something for it. Maybe a deleted time could be a good way of looking at it."


Asked about Alonso's claim of innocence after the Q1 incident in Baku, Ricciardo added: "His conviction is impressive! I mean that's the experience. That's why I love him. But I mean, obviously Alex spoke it about yesterday.

"We all know, we're all kind of playing tricks, and I know Lewis tried to not give us the DRS I think, with Lando. I mean, that's a bit of just tactics and strategy. But then there's kind of the other way of obviously what Fernando did. Maybe deleted laps could be the way forward, we'll see."

Alonso's team-mate Esteban Ocon also backed the idea of penalties.

"I think so, because in Monaco and Baku I've been suffering for that in qualifying," he said. "And, yeah, probably people would take more care if they get penalised, and it would be less easy to take a risk and just go down the escape road. I would definitely be in favour of changing that for the street circuits."

[ZCanadian]

Wow. That's a can of worms - how do you determine if the incident was intentional or not?
If the driver has a technical issue and has to pull over, how is he going to know what is going to initiate a red flag / safety car / vsc? Why should he get penalized if he picks up a puncture or the car overheats because someone's visor gets sucked into an intake? But there will always be a team or driver (talking to you, Max) with conspiracy theories as to the intent behind an incident.
Intentionally crashing after making provisional pole, the way Charles was accused of doing in Monaco last year, is way too risky a strategy for the driver - he could well wind up out of the race for mechanical issues. I know it's been alleged to have been done in the past, but proving it was intentional is pretty much impossible. And if you penalize regardless, that's just going to get drivers backing off - exactly not what Formula 1 needs.

Why not just add "extra time" to qualifying to make up for laps lost under red/yellow flag conditions, the way referees do at their discretion in a football match? Seems the most logical solution to me.

[ZCanadian]

And who cares what Albon thinks? Like he was ever going to out-qualify Alonso at Baku!!!
LOL

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Wow. That's a can of worms - how do you determine if the incident was intentional or not?
If the driver has a technical issue and has to pull over, how is he going to know what is going to initiate a red flag / safety car / vsc? Why should he get penalized if he picks up a puncture or the car overheats because someone's visor gets sucked into an intake? But there will always be a team or driver (talking to you, Max) with conspiracy theories as to the intent behind an incident.
Intentionally crashing after making provisional pole, the way Charles was accused of doing in Monaco last year, is way too risky a strategy for the driver - he could well wind up out of the race for mechanical issues. I know it's been alleged to have been done in the past, but proving it was intentional is pretty much impossible. And if you penalize regardless, that's just going to get drivers backing off - exactly not what Formula 1 needs.

Why not just add "extra time" to qualifying to make up for laps lost under red/yellow flag conditions, the way referees do at their discretion in a football match? Seems the most logical solution to me.

Other series penalize for delays. Agree that is possible but extra time is good as well

[danegrey]

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Wow. That's a can of worms - how do you determine if the incident was intentional or not?
If the driver has a technical issue and has to pull over, how is he going to know what is going to initiate a red flag / safety car / vsc? Why should he get penalized if he picks up a puncture or the car overheats because someone's visor gets sucked into an intake? But there will always be a team or driver (talking to you, Max) with conspiracy theories as to the intent behind an incident.
Intentionally crashing after making provisional pole, the way Charles was accused of doing in Monaco last year, is way too risky a strategy for the driver - he could well wind up out of the race for mechanical issues. I know it's been alleged to have been done in the past, but proving it was intentional is pretty much impossible. And if you penalize regardless, that's just going to get drivers backing off - exactly not what Formula 1 needs.

Why not just add "extra time" to qualifying to make up for laps lost under red/yellow flag conditions, the way referees do at their discretion in a football match? Seems the most logical solution to me.

there would be so much BS and screaming, F1 is way too politically for it to work

[DLSTR]

Formula 1: FIA changes regulations in attempt to combat porpoising amid driver safety concerns
The FIA has introduced new regulations for Formula 1 teams after several drivers, including Lewis Hamilton, were left in pain following last weekend's Azerbaijan GP; watch the Canadian GP live all weekend on Sky Sports, with the race starting at 7pm on Sunday

Last Updated: 16/06/22 6:51pm

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...afety-concerns

The FIA has introduced new measures in an attempt to combat 'porpoising' amid concerns over Formula 1 drivers' safety, ahead of this weekend's Canadian GP.

The severe bouncing of cars has been an unexpected issue following the introduction of F1's all-new design regulations for 2022, with Mercedes one of the teams worst impacted.

Lewis Hamilton has complained about the problem throughout the season, but with the bumpy Baku street circuit at last weekend's Azerbaijan GP exacerbating the issue and leaving the seven-time world champion in severe pain after the race, F1's rule-making body has taken action.



The technical directive issued by the FIA will force teams struggling with porpoising to alter the setup of their car to protect their drivers, with a limit on the level of "vertical oscillations" being introduced.


The FIA statement said: "Following the eighth round of this year's FIA Formula One World Championship, during which the phenomenon of aerodynamic oscillations ("porpoising") of the new generation of Formula 1 cars, and the effect of this during and after the race on the physical condition of the drivers was once again visible, the FIA, as the governing body of the sport, has decided that, in the interests of the safety, it is necessary to intervene to require that the teams make the necessary adjustments to reduce or to eliminate this phenomenon."

The FIA added that it would also begin an investigation - in consultation with teams - as to how to reduce porpoising in the "medium term".

It was also explained the decision was influenced by concerns over the pain and distraction caused by porpoising potentially distracting drivers and causing high-speed crashes.


Hamilton, along with Mercedes team-mate George Russell and team principal Toto Wolff, had been speaking of safety concerns since the early stages of the season, but with more cars suffering in Baku, almost universal support came from around the paddock.

Several other drivers spoke out, with McLaren's Daniel Ricciardo insisting he was ready to help push through changes to protect his rivals.

However, Red Bull team principal Christian Horner questioned the authenticity of Mercedes' complaints in Baku, claiming the Silver Arrows were trying to force a change in regulations that would help them close the gap on their rivals following a hugely disappointing start to the campaign.

Mercedes have failed to compete with the pace of Red Bull and Ferrari, with porpoising and bouncing repeatedly hampering the eight-time reigning constructors' champions.


Hamilton has failed to finish on the podium since the opening race of the season, and is already 88 points behind world championship leader Max Verstappen.


"I don't think this helps, in the short-term, Lewis Hamilton at all," Slater said.

"What they're saying is that you must not allow your car to vibrate like this.



Hamilton 'wasn't exaggerating' back injury, says Ricciardo

"Teams that don't have a problem with it won't have to make any changes. Teams like Mercedes, whose car bounces up and down, are effectively going to have to raise the height of the car, that will stop the bouncing and it will also slow the car down.

[Ventruck]

Congratulations to Ferrari for finishing the race.

That's all I got.

[VHRpurr]

Originally Posted by Ventruck

Congratulations to Ferrari for finishing the race.

That's all I got.

........meanwhile Checko over in RedBull on lap 9....

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by Ventruck

Congratulations to Ferrari for finishing the race.

That's all I got.

Ferrari need more top speed and better pit stops. RedBull is far and away the better all round operation for now.